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1893 Dayton Serial #3 Outside for 101 Years


I'v been ask this question a lot this winter, How the Dayton coming??? and for those who don't know...

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This is some of Greg Johnson's handy pattern work. 1st photo, 2nd. one is of the original bracket that held the water pump on the skids.
I made up a drawing when Greg was here in Oct. (to scale) and gave it to him and he made the pattern and sent it off to the foundry. Finished bracket is the last photo............DH
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Dam, forgot the photos. ........DH
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Old 02-28-2012, 02:17 AM
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Here are more photos of some of the work that needed to be done on the engine. 1st and 2nd photo is the hubcap that goes on the end of the crank (so you don't get your sleeve hooked on the end of the wheel Key) To remove all the pitting from it there was about .060 taken off it. After the machining, it was sanded to remove the tool marks, not pictured.

3rd photo is of the idler gear for the cam timing, a small cut was taken from the sides to remove the rust from it.

I was ask how to make the crowned nut and bolts today by PM. and this is how I do it. You need to grind a tool with the radius you want to put on your bolt head, and turn is slow not to get any chatter in your tool..............DH
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The Connecting Rod was one part I was up in the air about, Paint it, and what color, (engine color or black) leave it as is, or clean it up. It was pitted real bad. I ask for a few opinions from a couple of well respected engine guy's on what they would do. In the end I decided to re-machine it, and after about 4 hours I thought I should have gone a different direction.
I had it set up in the Mill to re-cut the sides, that took about 6hours, them when I got it in the lathe I found out there was about .075 taper in it.(from crank to piston end). So I went to work with 80 grit sand paper. That made a big mess, so the next thing was the file, what is call a long angle mill file. I spent about 8hours one day and about 4 more the next day. I was able to get about 90% of the pits out with the file, some where real deep. I was able to turn the crank end. I guess it was all worth the work. I think it come out alright, and if the rest of you ever do a restoration on something that was this bad, you will soon learn how to use a GOOD File.............DH
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Yeah, but Dave you have to admit, it is a lot of fun!
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Dave thanks for sharing the updates and the photos.

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Dave, Great story, Great engine, thanks for sharing. I am sure once you get the whole project together you will not regret spending the time cleaning the connecting rod. I can't imagine seeing the finished engine all together with a silver painted rod.... Wayne
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Here is some of the fine work that Gary Stoner has done for us. The brass pieces had all been worked over with a pipe wrench.
He also made new valves, and stems. The old ones had seen better days. Again my thanks goes out to him, I know he's got lots of time tied up in this and away from his Watkins project.........DH
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Here are a few more photos of some of the work I'v been doing. As you can see everything needed to be remade and this is just part of them.
Gary did make the rollers in photo #3 and then hardened them for me. And the last photo is of the newly machined head and the finished Crank Hub Cap. I also have got the Piston and rod back together and in the cylinder and the cylinder is on the crank case, and I'v got the main caps shimmed up and adjusted. So its starting to all come back together..............DH
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And a few more photos, The front of the cylinder where the valve chest goes on, and the inside of the Valve chest. These part's most have been a real pain in the butt for the Pattern maker. And no that's not rust in the two center holes in photo #2, its never seize. It might need to come back apart again in 120 years................DH
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How long are those valve stems.
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Here you go Ray. and the head of the valve are 2 3/4". I think maybe Dayton might have used the longest valve stems of any engine Builder............DH
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over two feet
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Id say your only competitor for those valves would be the exhaust valve from a stickney
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Here is a few photos of some of the work that I have gotten done on putting it back together.
Piston is in, Main and Rod bearings are all adjusted to where they need to be, Valve are lapped in now with the valve chest bolted in place. I know I'm running behind, But there is other things to do. I'll try harder.......................DH
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Come on Dave, you got plenty of time. You still have just a little less than 3 months to Coolsprings. ( Counting that you'll going to be there a week early anyway.)

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Dave, Just curious, I see the connecting rod has an area relieved on one side ( ? ) Is that for clearance or is the other side relieved as well. If I owned a DAYTON I probably would know the answer, but I don't.
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Come on Dave, you got plenty of time. You still have just a little less than 3 months to Coolsprings. ( Counting that you'll going to be there a week early anyway.)

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Dave, Just curious, I see the connecting rod has an area relieved on one side ( ? ) Is that for clearance or is the other side relieved as well. If I owned a DAYTON I probably would know the answer, but I don't.

Don I have also been working on my 8Hp Foos SE. So I can get it there also............
And yes the other side is also relieved, don't know any reason, there is nothing in the way or even close to it..............DH
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dave, its looking good!!!!!
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Work is still going on the Dayton, just a little slow. Got these castings back a few weeks ago and got around to machining them over the weekend. Photo 2 shows one of they original bearings that the water pump shaft ran through, they other was more like what the new casting look like. When they are all finished they will have babbitt poured in them. I also got the Water Pump put together and got it mounted today..............DH
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