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Old 07-19-2012, 12:05 PM
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Default New Black Box CD ignition systems

I am into both RC airplanes and Model Hit&Miss engines. I have found a very nice CD unit a friend builds and repairs that will work very nice on our stationary single cylinder engines. He makes them for twins also. The one I got from him is a non advance unit that can be powered by 4 double AA batteries or 4 rechargeable Ni Cads. It requires very little power and will run a engine for a very long time. Instant starts ans no points to burn or get oily. Very easy to install with no maitinence required. A dream come true really. Here are some photos of it. Capt,n John Click image for larger version

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Default Re: New Black Box CD ignition systems

Here is the address for the Guy that builds & repairs the Black Box CD ignition. This ignition uses the same circuit of one of the best units that has been around for may years.

John Weidman
341 Ontelaunee Trail
Hamburg, Pa. 19526
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Old 07-19-2012, 09:43 PM
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Default Re: New Black Box CD ignition systems

Here is John Weidman,s web-site so you can contact him by email.

gr8flyer55@verizon.net
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Default Re: New Black Box CD ignition systems

Cap'n John. Which calendar system are you using? Over here in Ireland we haven't yet reached August 2012, but then we always were reckoned to be a bit slow.
(Have a look at the date on your pictures!)

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Default Re: New Black Box CD ignition systems

Thanks I will check into this. Bill K
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Default Re: New Black Box CD ignition systems

The photo of myself by a Model Asscociated Hit & Miss engine has about the same type of CD ignition as the new Black Box but the new CD unit is much smaller and will go into a small wooden box to hide it and you can add a switch real easy. The little wood box is only $1.89 at a craft store. You can get the same box vented or solid top. Pait or stain of your choice. By the way...I have been taking my engine to shows for over 5 years...never had the engine miss a beat & starts Sooooooo good! You can buy rechargeable batteries with a charger for about $10-$12 bucks. I just tested the new unit with a device that plugs into the pick-up lead. It put out very good spark with a crack to it....also nice blue spark. The kind that will really rock ya! Best Regards Capt,n
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Default Re: New Black Box CD ignition systems

Y'all, since we are talking about model ignition systems, I have found you can get the same excellent results with the S&S machine CDI idnition system. I have several engines running in it using 3 AAA cells to power it. THey have not run down after a year now, ( using duracells), and I am convinced as the quality of this system. Easy starts and reliable runs.

The system can be configured as a buzz coil or single spark system, and either configuration can be triggered by just points or by a magnetic pickup. It's also very compact. It's nice to know there are some good options for ignition systems out there.

web site for S&$ machine
http://www.cncengines.com/

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Old 07-20-2012, 05:42 PM
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Default Re: New Black Box CD ignition systems

Will these systems jump a spark in a normal-scale cylinder using a 14, 18, or 24mm plug?
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The very high quality and fully repairable Black Box ignition will throw a spark 3/8 too 1/2 inch. There is no reason it will not fire about any size plug. Most of the engines on these fourms are low speed...low compression making it easy for a CD ignition to fire a sparkplug. As a note...this same ignition is used in high reving ....high performance RC airplane engines that got to perform flawless. Capt,n
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Cap'n John

You said no points, does this use a hall effect to trigger the cdi?

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Bob, I refer to this as a Hall type CD ignition. What I do is use install an aluminum ring that fits on crank-shaft with a small 1/8 dia super magnet in the ring. A pick-up sensor is placed close too the ring that rotates with crakshaft. As the magnet passes the sensor it causes the timing for the spark to fire. I use a small set screw to keep the ring in place on shaft. Just loosen set screw to adjust timing. No aluminum ring needed if you have a non steel place to mount magnet. It is very easy too do. Also if you wanted to have a way to advance and retard the spark...you could make a pivit arm to move the pic-up sensor in a arc...so as to make the timing varible. I may need to upload photos. Capt,n
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Cap'n John
Thanks I was guessing it was a hall type. I am about to try that on
my "May" engine. I have been using a CDI with the points and have had some issues.

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Here is the address below.
John Weidman
341 Ontelaunee Trail
Hamburg, Pa. 19526

His email is.... gr8flyer55@verizon.net
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Default Re: New Black Box CD ignition systems

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What I do is use install an aluminum ring that fits on crank-shaft with a small 1/8 dia super magnet in the ring.
The magnet doesn't even need to be attached to the rotating part. You can place the magnet on the stationary Hall pickup. Just make sure the hall sensor is between the magnet and the rotating metal.
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I will be making a short video of my Hit & Miss engine and how it starts & runs with the New Black Box CD ignition and post it on YouTube. I will post a link here so folks can view it. Capt,n
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I have been very busy...still intend to make that video. Thanks

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Well, I made 2 video,s about 10 days ago. I cannot get them to upload to YouTube. I have been very busy too working on my house...getting it ready to sell. I will try to upload the video again. Capt,n
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This link should work for the test on the New Black box ignition
Thanks for viewing. Capt,n John

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Here is the address for the Guy that builds & repairs the Black Box CD ignition. This ignition uses the same circuit of one of the best units that has been around for many years.

John Weidman
341 Ontelaunee Trail
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The magnet doesn't even need to be attached to the rotating part. You can place the magnet on the stationary Hall pickup. Just make sure the hall sensor is between the magnet and the rotating metal.
I have never done a ignition system the way you described. Can you post a photo or more...with more details. Thanks

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