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Is 5679 hours a lot for a Perkins diesel?


I have a chance to buy a 2002 3 cylinder perkins diesel driving a 12Kw Mecce Alte generator head. ...

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Old 12-15-2012, 06:20 PM
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Default Is 5679 hours a lot for a Perkins diesel?

I have a chance to buy a 2002 3 cylinder perkins diesel driving a 12Kw Mecce Alte generator head. Seems to run well. It has 5679 hours on it. The current owner had it at his camp and put all but 400 of the hours on it. He says he kept up with the oil changes etc.

I have 3 questions. Is 5679 hours a lot for a Perkins diesel? How many hours are they good for before needing an overhaul if well maintained? Is Mecce Alte a good brand for a generator head?

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Old 12-15-2012, 06:31 PM
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Default Re: A bit off topic... Question an a Perkins diesel engine

Put it this way, if you drove your car at a 40 mph average for 5679 hours you would cover over 227,000 miles. Perkins engines however are of the finest quality and if the engine has been properly serviced it would still be in good condition but at that amount of use it would certainly benefit from a freshen up rebuild. Mecc Alte generators (alternators) are industry standard, but once again it might be worthwhile checking it over and fitting new bearings.
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Old 12-15-2012, 09:22 PM
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Default Re: A bit off topic... Question an a Perkins diesel engine

hi on that perkins 3 cyl they will run 4 ever if it start good and runs well leve it alone i have rebuilt 6 or 7 and they were not well care 4 and were good shape in side good luck diesel dave
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Old 12-16-2012, 01:26 AM
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Default Re: A bit off topic... Question an a Perkins diesel engine

My first question is how much?

Its not that expensive to overhaul that Perkins if you do it yourself, easiest with sleeves.

To learn more check the oil pressure cold and hot, do a wet and dry compression check and a leak down test.

In tractors 8000+ hours isnt uncommon.

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Old 12-16-2012, 10:52 AM
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Default Re: A bit off topic... Question an a Perkins diesel engine

is it a 403-15 1.5 litre? a very good engine but not cheap to repair like bigger (british build)are. only parts to change soon will be water pump (expensive for its size).
you need to load it enough (4-5 kws) to keep it warm and have good combustion.
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Old 12-16-2012, 08:34 PM
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One good thing about the Perkins engine is they are now owned by Caterpiller which means parts can be found at any Cat dealer
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Default Re: A bit off topic... Question an a Perkins diesel engine

Like others have said, depends on the price, but it does also depend on what you plan to do with it, if your looking for home standby I would say go for it, there should be enough life left in it for many years of occasional standby service (assuming you do reasonable preventive maintenance). If your shopping for a remote hunting camp, or off grid cabin you might want to look for something without as many hours.
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Default Re: A bit off topic... Question an a Perkins diesel engine

It would be for home standby. The seller is asking $2500.00 which I thought was a bit high based on 5600 hours in service. Is 2500 a reasonable asking price in your opinion(s).

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The seller is asking $2500.00 which I thought was a bit high based on 5600 hours in service. Is 2500 a reasonable asking price in your opinion(s). Thanks.
5600 Hours for a Perkins Diesel is just barely Broken In.... Many will run 20K Operational Hours before needing ANY major Maintenance. Usually a TopEnd about then, then a InFrame at 40K Hours. Depends on how well the previous Owner took care on the Periodic Maintenance.
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I just found out that this unit was originally a light tower. It is single phase 120/240.
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Default Re: A bit off topic... Question an a Perkins diesel engine

That's good in the sense that the loads it was run with were relatively stable.

It really comes down to how well it was maintained. If you can't document that, you're rolling the dice.

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Default Re: Is 5679 hours a lot for a Perkins diesel?

Quick test - pull the oil stick! Is the oil looking relatively fresh - amber, relatively clear in appearance? (good) Is it dark, nearly black, but still feels like oil? (not so good) Is it coal black, when wiped on the back of your hand - not transparent at all, you can't see your skin thru it? (not good) Is it thick, black, with residue on the stick, looks like sludge on the stick? (BAD)

Does the engine look used but clean - just some seepage around gaskets?(OK) Freshly cleaned, no dust dirt, looks freshly washed? (take a good look at it) Check the air filter. Clogged? Used but clean? New? have a look at the coolant. Clean and green? brown and smells burnt? Low level?

The hours mean something. If well taken care of, not barely broken in. If abused, probably will work, but will need maintainance. If beat, probably near rebuild (expensive). See if the seller has service records, receipts for work done. If he changed oil and filters himself, see if he has dates and receipts for the materials. Listen carefully to the engine at start up - cold. If you have really bad bearings, you might hear them as the engine cranks. If the unit has an oil pressure guage, see what pressure you have at start, and see if it drops off after it gets hot. You might see a slight fall off, but more than that, I would be wary. More than a 10 pound differential, I would walk away in a hurry.
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Default Re: Is 5679 hours a lot for a Perkins diesel?

I wouldn't count on 40K hours, most engines don't make 10K.
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I wouldn't count on 40K hours, most engines don't make 10K.
This is a Perkins "Diesel" Engine.... Diesel Engines are a whole different animal, than a Gas Fueled Engine....... I have a Perkins 4-108 that has over 70K Operational Hours on it, turning a 10Kw Genset. It was In-Framed at 40K, with only the Main & Rod Bearings needed. I have knowledge of a number of Lister Diesels with over 120K Operational Hours, that were routine In-Framed every 40K Hours. 40K Hours is very normal for In-Frame Rebuilds on CAT Diesels in our Summer Powerhouse. (3 398's, 1 353, and 1 3516) I also have a Pair of Northern Lights 20Kw Gensets, that are just now hitting 10K Operational Hours. Just had the first required Maintenance on the first one. Replaced a water Pump that had a failed Shaft Seal, and shut down due to loss of Cooling Fluid. Other than that, these are Factory Fresh, and untouched. I expect to do TopEnds on them both, in another 5000 Hours, and then In-Frames when they get to 30K Operational Hours. The 20 Kw Northern Lights they replace, were retired at 66K Operational Hours. In-Framed at 40K Operational Hours, and reTIRED when the TopEnds couldn't be done due to Parts availability, as they were 35 years old.
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Default Re: Is 5679 hours a lot for a Perkins diesel?

I was talking about diesel engines that don't get 10K hrs. An engine on a generator will get more hrs than one in a farm tractor or pickup. Most farm tractors won't get 10K hrs. I haven't seen a Massey tractor with a 354 Perkins get 10K hrs or a 540 V 8. I haven't seen a diesel in a pickup make 40K hrs {2,000,000 miles}. Most combines don't make 5K hrs. I have only seen one engine that got 40K hrs, it was a cat engine on a gas compressor that ran continously.
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Default Re: Is 5679 hours a lot for a Perkins diesel?

I used to work on a couple Cat fork lifts that had Perkins 4 cyl engines. Dusty area, decent maintenance (oil, air and oil filters changed on time) and abused by the drivers. Both had over 11,000 hours on them and ran great.

IIRC had the injectors touched up on one by a local shop and both injection pumps serviced by same man. Other than that and water pumps, they needed nothing. We kept a new one in a crate (bought cheap) but never had any need for it.

For a home generator it is probably MUCH better than most anything you would buy new and SHOULD last for MANY years. Enjoy.
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