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850 H.P. vs 18 H.P.


This might have been on here before but it worth another look. The steamer does have a hitch height...

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Old 11-05-2013, 02:32 PM
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This might have been on here before but it worth another look. The steamer does have a hitch height advantage.

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This might have been on here before but it worth another look. The steamer does have a hitch height advantage.
As well as not using 4wd. The steamer =still= would have pulled the JD down the track, just not as easily. ;-)

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How embarrassing would it have been it they had put a decent British engine against it, LOL.
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No need for a crash helmet on the traction engine...
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As well as not using 4wd
A person looses his credibility fast when he cheats like this. Its a shame with all the miss info on the web, now more BS piled on top.

When the Reeves 32 pulled the CAT D6, I hope that was no fake.
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When you have something that out weighs and has more low end torque it's no problem.
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At least nothing was broken during the pull.
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must be a new type of JD plow
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I agree there is an unfair hitch advantage, but do agree there is a big torque mis-match between the Deere & the steamer.....and it's fun to watch the Deere struggle, and listen to the giggle of the man near the camera.

Always wondered that if these big horsepower modified pullers were limited to about 3mph ground speed, how well they'd do NOT having that speed & momentum of the tractor/sled incorporated into their pull.

After all, a working farm tractor has to have a steady pull across the field, not short leaps & bounds.

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I agree there is an unfair hitch advantage, but do agree there is a big torque mis-match between the Deere & the steamer.....and it's fun to watch the Deere struggle, and listen to the giggle of the man near the camera.

Always wondered that if these big horsepower modified pullers were limited to about 3mph ground speed, how well they'd do NOT having that speed & momentum of the tractor/sled incorporated into their pull.

After all, a working farm tractor has to have a steady pull across the field, not short leaps & bounds.

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I suspect that the modified pullers have more to do with gate attendance than the ability to roll corn stalks back under. The scream of a hemi or plume of an overfueled diesel is quite entertaining. Not to say that the stack music of a Case or even a double Keck isn't , but those with Steamitis are a much smaller bunch.
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I maybe wrong but that sure looks like a Burrell....

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The steam engine always wins in my opinion........

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I maybe wrong but that sure looks like a Burrell....
It is a Burrell, however Burrells as like Marmite, I think in the US it is called Vegemite, sorry not US but Aus, you either love it or hate it.
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A person looses his credibility fast when he cheats like this. Its a shame with all the miss info on the web, now more BS piled on top.

When the Reeves 32 pulled the CAT D6, I hope that was no fake.
Why is that a cheat? It's a =much= smaller tractor and it was sold with 4wd, not added on later, so why not use it? Especially given the hitch disadvantage to the JD... I'll have to look up the Reeves vs D6 video. That sounds =neat=!

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When the Reeves 32 pulled the CAT D6, I hope that was no fake.
Gary will correct me, but I believe the 32 Reeves pulled a D7 and the 25 Reeves pulled the D6.

Note that they were "old style" Cats, not even close to today's models.

At 235 RPM, they deliver a great deal of torque.
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Why is that a cheat? It's a =much= smaller tractor and it was sold with 4wd, not added on later, so why not use it?
He cheated because he disengaged the 4wd! He did not even try to use it. he also could have doubled the rear wheels and added a lot more weight. Might have end ed up the same way, but; we dont know.

I believe traction engines have pulled weight sleds. That is a pretty unbiased test. if anyone care to relate those results. I dont know and either way does not effect my respect for the old machines.
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You guys should look again. The tractor appears to be some sort of superstock puller. it has a V8 engine and might be a 6000 series Deere rear end with an 8000 hood on it. I doubt that it even has MFWD, and is probably just has the tires on for looks. From the looks of it, I would guess the tractor weighs less than 10,000 lbs.

Weight is everything. If he ballasted the tractor up to weigh the same as the steam engine, he could probably out pull it. However, it is very likely he would break something on the tractor before he pulled it very far.
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You guys should look again. The tractor appears to be some sort of superstock puller. it has a V8 engine and might be a 6000 series Deere rear end with an 8000 hood on it. I doubt that it even has MFWD, and is probably just has the tires on for looks. From the looks of it, I would guess the tractor weighs less than 10,000 lbs.

Weight is everything. If he ballasted the tractor up to weigh the same as the steam engine, he could probably out pull it. However, it is very likely he would break something on the tractor before he pulled it very far.
I like this explanation.

I think it is really hard to properly compare internal combustion engines to external combustion engines.

Tractive effort and weight aside...

You can pick criteria or rules to make an IC win, or an OC win.

They are different beasts.

It's like trying to compare a polar bear to a cheetah.

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