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F/M Z C or 52?


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Old 01-09-2005, 09:46:56 PM
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Is this engine a Z C or is it 52 ?
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Old 01-09-2005, 10:11:55 PM
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Jesse:: Do you have a serial # .. its got to be late Model .. With enclosed Mag. Gear crankcase cover.. Looks Nice.. Byron
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Jessy, it looks like a Fairbanks ZC "52" to me. The ZC is the models of Fairbanks engines that origionally have the condencer "radiator" on them. The 52 is the size, i.e. 52c.i. All the later ZC models went by cubic inch desination instead of HP rating. In other words, the "52'' takes the place of 3hp. Hope this helps. Doug Waggonner
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Looks like a FM Z, style C, to me. The 52 has thicker flywheels.
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it's a zc i have three just like it.........
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style c that is
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To clear this up its both a zc and a 52! zc52. They are 3hp newer ones were called a ZC 52 ci. instead of going by hp.They made these in defferent hp.-ci.I believe the 52 was the smallest. dont know what the biggest is? They used them on oil wells as well as Generators.Most have a condenser on top of the hopper.BobRR
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Your right Bob, The 52's are the smallest. The sizes are 52, 118, 208, 346, 503 and 739! Doug Waggonner
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Doug Do you know what the corisponding HP. is for these models? BoBRR
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Old 01-10-2005, 01:05:25 AM
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Default Re: F/M Z C or 52?

Just for reference:

http://www.smokstak.com/forum/showth...highlight=zc52
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Old 01-10-2005, 01:29:49 AM
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Jesse, auctually, the enclosed crank Zs which were ZCs were changed in 1941 to the cubic inch designation, the smallest being the 52. Warm in Texas-Joe
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If my memory serves me right the 52 is 3hp, 118 is 8hp, 208 is 12hp, 346 is 18hp, 502 is 26hp, I can't remember what the 739 is. The 346 has to be my favorite of the ZC series. It has the same features as the 502 and 739. But its a little smaller, only weighing in at a little over a TON! And its big enough that even the fairbanks manuals say to use your foot to get the flywheels turning. If you cant tell I'm still in the phase where I think BIGGER is BETTER. Doug Waggonner
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Default Re: F/M Z C or 52?

If the mag is a base mount, it is a style "Z" type "C"...If the mag mounts to the cover with a flange on the side, it is a "ZC52"...Or at least that is the way I have always seen them..Also, Most of the :52s" had aluminum plates on them, but not ALL of them. Then later on, for oil field use, They installed the heavy flywheels...Kinda confusing ain't it!...Call 'em what you want, but they are VERY good engines, and Very good runners, built to last forever....Just me ramblin'

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David how hard was it to convert your zc's mag to impulse? BobRR
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Is this engine a Z C or is it 52 ?
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The 52s that were made for oil field use did not have a speed control lever as they were a fixed load engine.and one was not necessary. the engine block had the notches cast into it but there was no lever. I have restored about four or five for a collector friend of mine and none of them had the speed control. He bought them from an oil company that used themfor pumping small wells in northeast Tennesse and southeast Kentucky They all had the condenser and were run on well gas. They just cut the gasoline line from the tank crimped it shut and connected the natural gas mixer to them. So, all that was missing was the front plate on the mixer THey even had the gas tank in the base or what was left of it. Good luck in a good hobby, Joe Morris. P.S. they also had the small but very heavy flywheels.
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David how hard was it to convert your zc's mag to impulse? BobRR
Well, it really wasn't anything to it...I used a mag off of a wisconsin and made an adapter to fit the mounting holes on the mag and the holes on the engine...I found a 25 tooth gear and put the gear from the mag and the gear for the engine in my lathe and welded the two together and bolted her on...had to play with it to get the timing just right (no timing marks). but it was well worth it...Sure starts easy now.

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Thanks David. I may have to try it. I hate the mag on mine have to crank the heck out of it to get it to start!BobRR
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Old 01-11-2005, 10:02:05 PM
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Default Re: F/M Z C or 52?

Some one ask about an speed control lever, yes it has one. On the name tag it said ( Style C Self-Oiling), and numbers 856660 are stamped on the back of the tank. Does this help? Is it Z C or 52?

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Default Re: F/M Z C or 52?

You just answered your own question. It's a Fairbanks Z, style C. The nameplate even says so. A 52 is just a later, slightly modified version of the style C, 3 horsepower engine.
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Default Re: F/M Z C or 52?

OK

Now I have a question. What is a 3 HP FBM Z (The tag says 3HP Z. ONLY)engine with a radiator and shroud. The cooling is in the off side flywheel. The shroud is covering the flywheel and radiator. The flywheel blows air accross the radiator via the shroud.

I can get photos if needed. WHAT IS IT ???????

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Jim
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