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I am soliciting ideas for a working water display for my Novo Water Pump Outfit as I am tired of watching it goof-off at the shows. I was originally thinking about building a standard 3 foot tall water wheel but I would like to build something more tricky. Anyone got any ideas??? Thanks.
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Here is a pump set-up my grandfather put together for a backup to the sump pump when the power went out. The pump was originally used to pump water from the cistern into a tank in the house. The engine belts to a pulley between the motor and pump.
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Here is a friend's fountain...

And then have a different friend soap it (Hi Bob)

and then the kids come by and have a soap fight...
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Here are 2 displays that I run...kind of boring...



Here is a pic I took at a show of a neat display...would look a little better with a more rustic tank and plumbing setup.
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Here's a picture that I took on July 1st, 1999 at a show at Lloydminster, SK. It's a Hardie pump belted to a 1 1/2 - 2 1/2 HP IHC LB engine. The pump was rescued from a landfill and aquired by the owner of the display, which was working prior to when the picture was taken.

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Oops, must have done something wrong, will try the picture again.

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Default Re: Water Pump Display Ideas...Got any???

My nephew took a old open gear pump jack and rigged it up to actully pump the handle on a pump that we have mounted to a old sinc that we dug out of the banks of the mississippi river.People love to watch it go, oh ya we have it belted up to a 1 1/2 lb.Runs all day every day at the shows.
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Here is a pic I took at Portland. I am sure some of you may have seen this display. A Maytag 72 runs the pump. The water intake comes from the right of the tub and you can see a very small tube comming up, this sucks air in the water intake so you can see the bubbles go thru the clear water lines. There is green coloring in the water and the water coming into the tub on the left is directed as to make the rubber duckies go round and round. Very nice display I thought!

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Default Re: Water Pump Display Ideas...Got any???

Here is a John Deere pump jack pumping water over a water wheel, and the water wheel is making the man cut wood. you could have your water wheel set up to run something small.
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Anyone have any Pelton water wheels hooked up and running?
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Default Re: Water Pump Display Ideas...Got any???

If you just pump the water into half of an old wood barrel or some other tank, you would be surprised at how many people ask why the barrel doesn't get full. Mostly, they're kids, but I've had grown adults ask me how that works. I know it sure stumped me when I was little, watching grandpa's engine pump water.
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Just an old IHC 2HP pump engine with a walking beam . Can't do much outside in the cold shed , but it's coming along. Got the pump cylinder leathers yesterday and cleaned up the inside of the cylinder, and got that together. Lot's to line up real good before I do the final set up. It's going to be a neat display when I get it done.
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Default Re: Water Pump Display Ideas...Got any???

I too have two water pump displays, again sort of boring. However the gear pump that I have is compact and I have had a number of people ask "where does the water come from?" There is a hidden return line from my 8" by 10" tank that you can't see; so It does interest people from that point of view. So I will keep what I thought was boring. Any other ideas???
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Tony,

I have seen what I call Do Nothing Machines. And generally that is what they actually accomplish, Nothing. An Idea for a water do nothing machine is one where the pump lifts water through a concealed pipe to a water box that spills water over a water wheel. The water wheel is connected to a double chain with tin cans attached to lift water up and pour it into the top of the water box. The water box is angled downhill to the water wheel.

The trick is to conceal the pipe that takes water from the pump to the water box supplimenting the water being poured from the cans into the box.

The appearance of the do nothing machine is that of a Perpetual Motion Machine. In other words it appears that the water from the slanted water box is accelerated to the point that when it spins the water wheel it generates enough power to lift enough water in the tin cans being poured into the top of the water box to sustain the motion. Of course the water pumped through the concealed pipe is actually overcoming the substancial losses caused by friction and other resistance to the system.

If the systen were made with 2X2 readwood supports a hole could be drilled or cut into the wood that would allow 1 or more water pipes to be concealed in the frame that supportes the water box. The water box being basically a square wooden pipe made of 4 pieces of wood caulked and screwed together. A square wooden catch funnel connected at the top would catch the water being poured by the endless can chain water lift.

The base of the whole machine could be made of loose fitting slats that allow the spilled water to return to a resivour under the base where the pump pickes it up to pump it through the concealed pipes to keep the machine going.

I hope that I have painted a word picture that you can visualize what I envision as something to do with an old water pump. This way your pump outfit will still be Goofing-Off but will be doing so in an interesting way.

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Second Display from the MN show:
FM Y Engine driving a large pump

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Here is a real neat display that I saw at a show in MN. They had a few neat water pumping displays.
First one with a farmall tractor powering the line shaft with 3 pumps on it:

Water was pumpted to up to a pond and ran down a race to this water wheel:

Which inturn ran a line shaft to power this mill house:


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Anyone have any Pelton water wheels hooked up and running?
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I'm working on a display to pump and drive a Chicago Water Motor right now. As a matter of fact I was on my way to the barn with a cup of coffee right now to get the stove going.

My idea is to pump water from a reservour with a small Blackmer rotary vane pump belted to my Little Jumbo engine directly into the feed point of the water motor. My Chicago unit discharges out the bottom back into the reservoir. The output shaft(s) on the water motor are gonna drive maybe a little old air compressor that I scrounged to toot a whistle or something. Not Sure.
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trying to figur out how to use this new form and would like to know how to post another pic from one of my clubs sites on this form. If I get this figured ot I think you guys will like it. (thanks harry) andrew.
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Here's a question for you..........

I spoke of my water motor driving a little air compressor and I've got that engineered. I was staring at the other output shaft on the water motor and I'm thinking of driving an old starter/generator off an old wisconsin engine in the corner. It'll be a cool setup to answer the most common question(s) that I get at our show; "what were these engines for???"

Question 1: Which way does this starter/generator need to turn to make juice?

Question 2: Just how much torque can I expect this Chicago Water Motor to make? I expect to feed it up to 20 gpm (pump rating) but I'll have a return line off the the input so I can reduce that if necessary.

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