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Who has the best engine transport


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Old 06-26-2005, 09:19:16 AM
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Hi everyone,
To me an engine transport can make or break an engine restoration. Im working on a horitzontal 1.5 hp engine and I have no idea exactly how to mount it or what design to make for example two man lift, wheel barrow or a 4 wheel set.

I'd love to see some good and even bad photos and experiences of your horizontal engines.

I really hope you can help in this delima.

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I have a maytag on a two man carry. But maytags are small enough to where you can do that and still only need one person to carry. I have a 2hp Taylor that I made a wheelbarro (2-wheel cart) for and it is very easy to move around on hard surfaces. I only had 6" wheels available to me and they don't roll very well on grass, so I would suggest going with a 2 wheel cart but using 8" wheels. I even made my side rails for the cart out of replacement hickory wheelbarrow handles! Works great! I think i'm going to go the 4 wheel route on my 2-1/2 Alamo, though. Same with 6" up front and 8" on the back.

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Hi JEb,
thanks for the reply your ideas sound great have you got some pics you can post or email? id be very interested in having a look at your ideas.

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Roo,

The last couple of carts I have made have had the front wheels turn like an automobile.

You can just copy the geometry of one of the better wagons that are available today.

I well remember being dumped out of a wagon when the one pulling it turned it to sharply and the wheels went out from under the front.

I have also had to build the engine cart a little high to allow the front wheels to go under the frame rails. this results in a top heavy cart that allows the engine to rock back and forth when pulled over uneven terrain

Using smaller wheels on the front and having a higher bolster pivot helps but on uneven ground they still sometimes allow the wheel to drag on the frame.

With the individually turning wheels these problems are eliminated.
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Mike,

I like your transport but I don't know many guys who could carry my Jack Of All Trades on those.

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Hi Mike,
I love the way you have inset the cross members on the wood frame it looks fantastic!! my next project after this one is a FMZD i might "use" your idea on this if its ok I think it would set the ZD of nicely.

Dick thanks also for your thoughts they are very valuable do you have any pics of some of your finished engines and carts?

Thank you both for posting

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Dick,
I should add if you have one of your car style steering which is a fantastic idea id love to see it. Its so logical i have no idea why i didnt think of it before!

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Mike,
Mate you are a legend! that engine looks great!! what do you do for a slightly larger engine????

Again thank so much for posting!!

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That is the largest engine we have so far. We do have an IHC M 1˝ HP that we want to mount on a set of repro trucks. The trucks are not cheap, but do look nice.
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Roo,

It's ironic that Roo is our nickname for my 41 year old Son so named because my youngest couldn't say Richard but called him Roo Roo.

Anyway This cart is one I made for him many years ago to go under his Hit and Miss 1 1/2 hp Fairbanks Morse.

The skids fit perfectly between the rails. This makes the cart somewhat universal as the skids on almost any small engine could be altered to fit it.

That way you could make up one or more carts and just put on which ever engine or engines you want to take to a particular event.

We never drilled and pinned or bolted down the engine as gravity holds it well enough on the cart and we tie the engine down when in the truck.

You could drill and pin each of your engines skid in the same place or places to keep it universal if you think that is necessary.

This cart was made up from salvage square tubing, angle iron, steel pipe and 1/4'' X 1 1/2" strap welded with innershield wirefeed.

I used 1/2" bolts and self locking nuts for the wheel pins but you could cut off the threads and drill and cotter key to make it look older.

I took one picture of the cart upside down so that you could get a better view of the geometry.

After I completed the cart and saw how the inside wheel turns sharper than the outside wheel I told my son that it takes a very complicated formula to figure out the exact geometry to make it just right so that neither wheel scuffs in a turn.

I neglected to say that I didn't even think about the geometry when I was making it.

As you can see I never have painted it. Maybe now before I take it back to my sons house.
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Hi Roo. When I finally finish my 2hp R&V I intend to make an original style cart something like this one in the catalogue:

Here is an example of one all finished and I hope to do as good a job. These are very heavy little engines so they need something solid under them.
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Hi Patrick,
That R and V looks great im sure yours will come up just as well! Mate in your vast achives of photos what do you consider to be the best looking engine and transport set up you have seen for a similar size engine to the R and V originality aside?

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P.S anyone else care to add some pictures?
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A friend showed how to make the front wheels turn correctly. Hope I can post picture. Dick

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Here's another way to transport a horizontal engine!!
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I see a lot of variations on a pretty basic design. Most of the original carts had a centre pivot turntable or (usually on lighter engines) both axles were fixed. This is a nice example of a home made cart under a small engine.
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Here is a fixed axle version under a little 'Emu' badges Hercules.
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