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Old 06-28-2005, 07:46:18 PM
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Looking for some good matches to be used in a match start to fire a engine. Anyone know of a good place to get some or any ideas? Thanks
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Old 06-29-2005, 08:36:53 AM
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Looking for some good matches to be used in a match start to fire a engine. Anyone know of a good place to get some or any ideas? Thanks
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I think the safety wimps have outlawed the old fashioned "strike anywhere" "kitchen" matches.

A thought would be to use toy capgun "caps" and see if they work.

Just a thought........

Take care - Elden
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Old 06-29-2005, 09:14:31 AM
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Eldon, You might try some of the Amish communities that have GENERAL STORES. They just may have an old stock of strike anywhere matches. Men always have to strike a match on the seat of their pants to light their pipe. Right? I think that the other fellow was right that THE SUPPOSED DO-GOODERS have done away with the production of the old strike anywhere matches for SAFETYS SAKE! WE ARE OVERPROTECTED!!!!!!
I saw the handwriting on the wall a few years ago, and saved a few boxes, and guard them with my life. I don't know of anything else that will work in a match-start engine.
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I don't know where to find any good matches. Fairbanks made a starter that used the case and primer for a 410. It works and looks like the match starts. I have converted the 410 to a 22 nail shot load. I have built several and sold them to friends that have Fairbanks N's. They are $65.00 plus freight. Lauren
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Dan:

I think the safety wimps have outlawed the old fashioned "strike anywhere" "kitchen" matches.

A thought would be to use toy capgun "caps" and see if they work.

Just a thought........

Take care - Elden
Elden I've never seen one of these contraptions but your "cap gun cap's" suggestion brought forth a thought ! Would it be possible and feasable to tap the receiver of the match mechanism and install a nipple from a black powder firearm? The plunger would fire the easily obtainable primer caps. The only drawback would be that you would need a hooked wire to pick the spent cap out of this fabricated chamber.It might even blow out on a compression stroke by hand..They started some aircraft engines during WW2 with "blank cartridges"...Nipples and caps are are fairly inexpensive !
Also would a 22 cal blank cart fit into the hole where the match is inserted? Those "power loads" for the stud anchoring tools pack quite a bit of energy! Would undoubedly turn the engine over a couple turns by itself.
However were talking about different pressures here! It should be one of the "long string" experiments"! I have blown well points out using 12 Ga black powder blanks. (an old well driller showed me that one) Lucky to still be alive!
As I said this was just a passing thought!
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Lauren
After posting that I see that you and I think somewhat along the same lines!
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Default Re: Wanted Good Matches for match start

I think I saw some "barn burners"at the Tractor Supply. Dick in central Pa.
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You can get them here. Click Here Google is your friend.
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Dan,

When you order from Patricks source maybe you had better get a double order as 36 boxes are only 9,000 starts.
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Old 06-29-2005, 02:02:14 PM
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O.K. since I am a long time enjoyer of things that go boom, this thread has sure got me curious. What is a match start? How does it work and why have I not seen one anywhere(at least that I know of)?
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Try this.



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Here is a hopper cooled Fairbanks Morse N. The match is inserted inside of the brass push button mechanism (in front of the air pump connection).

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You put a strike anywhere match head in the chamber, prime the cylender, roll the engine over backwards up against the compression stroke, and punch the starter. The match heads ignite, thus lighting off the charge in the cylender. Off she goes! I have one of those shotshell starter cartridges - I was told it was from a B-17. This sucker is huge! must be a 6 or 8 guage shell - I have a 10 guage shell, and it is less than 2/3 the size of the starter shell!
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Never seen a B-17 with a cartridge start, check out the original Flight of the Phoenix, Jimmy Stewart is down to his last cart. before the plane starts.
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I accidentally purchased a big box of strike anywhere matches from my local ACE hardware store. They were in the camping section so you may try looking around places that sell camping supplies....along other lines, i have learned that it is nearly impossible to light one of those things off of the stubble from your beard like the hardened cowboys used to do. All it does is leave nice red streaks down the side of your face that stir up questions from co-workers.....
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Default Re: Wanted Good Matches for match start

Went to the local grocery store this morning and saw Diamond Strike-Anywhere Kitchen Matches on the shelf.

I believe these matches are alive and well at least here in North East Ohio.

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Went to the local grocery store this morning and saw Diamond Strike-Anywhere Kitchen Matches on the shelf.

I believe these matches are alive and well at least here in North East Ohio.
Paul:

I'm glad to know that you can still get kitchen matches. Now, everybody be quiet! If the safety weenies find out about 'em, they'll make sure to take 'em away from us 'cause they always know what's best.

I recall once, when I was a kid, showing off by striking a kitchen match with my thumbnail. Only problem was that the head came off and lodged under my thumbnail. Of course it was burning at the time.

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