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Need Help No Smok 1916 1.5 Headless Z FBM


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Old 06-30-2005, 11:50:22 PM
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Just finished putting her back together and she will not fire. I tried a coil and battery to start with at 12V no go jacked it up to 24V and got it to pop a few times the coil sure gets hot fast. I think that I have an ignitor issue. I have cleaned it adjusted the points flat and filed them. With the intake valve removed I can see what appears to be plenty or spark to make a fire. I am pretty sure of my valve timing those instructions are not to hard to follow. Also have a new check valve in fuel pick up only other thing is that the compression seems a bit low but not bad. I will try the old sumter #12 later it makes 6VAC with drill motor and I havent touched it yet that could be another thread. Anyone have any good ideas
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Old 07-01-2005, 12:21:33 AM
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Default Re: Need Help No Smok 1916 1.5 Headless Z FBM

Did you try replaceing the mica in the ignitor.BobRR
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Old 07-01-2005, 12:29:11 AM
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Default Re: Need Help No Smok 1916 1.5 Headless Z FBM

If you still have the "early" ignitor that probably came with the engine, make sure that the ground wire is installed that loops from the end of the moveable electrode to the ignitor body.

These can break but still look good. I know. It happened to me a couple of times and I wasn't looking for it.

I can attest that my early-ish headless will not run without this ground wire, even though you might think it is superfluous! Maybe this will help......
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Old 07-01-2005, 12:49:23 AM
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Default Re: Need Help No Smok 1916 1.5 Headless Z FBM

I have the ground jumper installed. And I guess I will order some mica washers from Ed at Hit and Miss. Not sure where else to get them.
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Default Re: Need Help No Smok 1916 1.5 Headless Z FBM

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Just finished putting her back together and she will not fire.
Rick:

Even if the check valve is not seating right, if you hand choke it 'til gas drips out of the mixer, it should fire a few times.

Ignition timing should be tripping the ignitor slightly before TDC on the compression stroke.

You -could- be having ignitor trouble but they are pretty foolproof. As a last resort, you could replace the micas although, you -could- take the ignitor apart and just clean the existing micas.

Good luck and take care - Elden
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Old 07-01-2005, 02:03:37 PM
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Default Re: Need Help No Smok 1916 1.5 Headless Z FBM

These engines are extremly easy to flood. Many times all the engine needs is the ignitor removed and cleaned and dried out. After that , only choke it about one half of an intake stroke. Hope this helps. Joe morris
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Old 07-01-2005, 04:35:28 PM
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Yhe coil is getting hot fast because the points are always together. Joe morris
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Old 07-02-2005, 09:18:48 AM
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Yhe coil is getting hot fast because the points are always together. Joe morris
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If the ignitor points are always together and only open at the ignition point, your engine is set-up for a magneto. Using a coil and battery with this setup will result in the coil getting hot and will quickly drain the battery.

Shouldn't hurt the running, though.

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Old 08-02-2005, 12:02:53 AM
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I finally had a chance to install my new mica washers. Started with a battery and coil after a time. Found the sweet spot on for the mixer swaped over to the mag and ran for over an hour. I than shut down to check things out cleaned up my grease mess and started up after a good crank.

Does anyone out there have a set of origional trucks for a 1.5 Z that they would like to sell?

Thanks for everyones input.
Rick
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Old 08-02-2005, 09:36:51 AM
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Default Re: Need Help No Smok 1916 1.5 Headless Z FBM

Rick,
I have the same exact Headless Engine it has the original cast Iron Muffler and Pulley as well as a Crank Guard and the nicest set or Steel Skids I have seen on this type engine. I bought my engine with an original cart, there happens to be one on Ebay right now. The engine is fastened to the cart by 8 3/8 Square Head Bolts which I think are an inch or 2 long I can check on mine
anyway I can't wait to get mine running I am waiting on a new Exhaust Valve and my Ignitor from Mark at Mark's Magneto
Here ya go the link is below
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