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What is it? old tool?


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Old 07-17-2005, 03:50:17 PM
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In an old farm workshop I found a cone shaped piece of iron. From memory it is about 24 inches long, and about 4 inches diameter tapered to a point, solid and heavy. Is it some kind of blachsmith's forming tool? If so, what value?

Need to know quickly, going back tomorrow
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Old 07-17-2005, 04:15:24 PM
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Default Re: What is it? old tool?

Could very well be some sort of metal working tool. I assume it's solid iron. Does the large end appear to be broken off of something else? I'm almost wondering if it's the horn end of a blacksmith's anvil.
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Old 07-17-2005, 04:34:53 PM
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your tool sounds like a blacksmiths cone used to make things like iron rings the further down you force the ring of hot steel the bigger the ring as to value i dont know but it is a nice find
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Old 07-17-2005, 04:48:52 PM
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M, broken off something is a good point, I'll check. Made a deal on some other stuff but didn't look closely at this thing. If its a tool I'll try to get it but don't know what to offer. Don't think its part of anvil, it is straight taper not curved up like anvil horn.
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Old 07-17-2005, 09:30:43 PM
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Exclamation Re: What is it? old tool?

2 possibilities, has the side end opposite the cone end been beaten on? if so, it may be a log splitter. If the end has clean edges and has not been beaten on, it is probably a forcing cone, made to make circular shapes on wrought iron work (the metal is heated red-orange heat, and wrapped around the cone at the desired diameter.)
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Sounds like a small cone anvil. The small ones are rare, generally it's easier to find one about 4 feet tall that's a foot in diameter at the base and 4 to 5 inches at the tip.
If you can get it for a buck a pound you're doing well.
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Old 07-18-2005, 06:50:01 AM
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The correct term for a blacksmith's "forming cone" is a "blacksmith's mandrel". A 4" x 24" is an odd size though....or at least I've never seen one. If it IS a mandrel they are highly prized by modern smiths (i.e. they "aint makin' 'em no more!).
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The correct term for a blacksmith's "forming cone" is a "blacksmith's mandrel". A 4" x 24" is an odd size though....or at least I've never seen one. If it IS a mandrel they are highly prized by modern smiths (i.e. they "aint makin' 'em no more!).
Approximately 25 years ago my brother paid nearly $700 at our uncle's Public Auction for a blacksmith mandrel(approx 3 ft tall). Our uncle had acquired the mandrel when our father sold him his Blacksmith Shop circa 1936. That was a higher price than Uncle paid my Father for the complete blacksmith shop including the building.

If this is truly a blacksmith mandrel it is worth considerable $s.

My father worked as a blacksmith in the CCCs. I remember his relating stories about the CCCs and saying that the the $15 per month was better than $.25 a day he may have made in the shop. My father was still living when my brother bought the mandrel, I remember him saying my brother was crazy for paying that amount of money for it...........Helen
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Default Re: What is it? old tool?

It sounds to me as tho it is a tool for sizing horse shoes
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Well folks, I'm sorry to say I didn't get the cone, he wouldn't sell it.

But I came away with a project engine, United Type A 1 3/4

Post drill, Boyton & Plummer, Worcestor Mass no. 22

Anvil, Raraton, Sweden 130 lbs

I'm familiar with associated engines, but this other stuff--is there anything special about the drill or anvil?

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It sounds to me as tho it is a tool for sizing horse shoes
The cones are used to make the arc in iron wheels or other items with a curve.

Search google for "blacksmith cone mandrel" or here is a site with some information:
http://www.wrvmuseum.org/journal/journal_ftbr_0401.htm

I think there is a small cone mandrel that fits in the hardy hole in an anvil. That is the square hole in the anvil in Leonard's pictures....Helen
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Old 07-18-2005, 03:37:45 PM
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Nice find Ralph,the anvil's usually go for $1:00 a pound and the drill press for around $75.00 and you know what the engine is worth.When you get the engine restored send some pictures.
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Default Re: What is it? old tool?

Ralph, around here a Swiss anvil brings 500.00-700.00 in good condition ! It seems the metal working students and artists look for them and is considered a status item to own.. Kinda like some engines ? Randy Hart Ohio
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Randy, I'm sure it would be painful to let it go but for 700 I believe I could get over it in a week or two
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Default Re: What is it? old tool?

Ralph I bought a tool similar to what you are discribing. came from an old farm place the owners grand parent worked on wagons and buggies. My tool has around base for stump mt then hase a stepup two inches tall and appx ten ininches in dia then cone starts and is appx 14 inches tall. I think it was a mandrel for buggie work. Lonnie P.S paid thirty five bucks for it
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A good anvil will have a hard face plate welded to the top. Unlike the cheap cast ones you get nowdays. That anvil is an outstanding find for anyone who actually wants to use one. The top of my new anvil is already dented up after only a few uses. I would love to make a find like that.

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Default Re: What is it? old tool?

I note the edges of the anvil are dinged up. That's a discount there. Also if the horn has deep marks or the end isn't near-perfect. A "good" anvil, such as I described is worth TONS of money.
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Swedish anvils are very rare and Swedish steel is generally considered the best (axes for example) That one appears to be in very good shape: usually the edges of the face are well worn over. A little work with a hard facing rod will fill any nicks, then grind smooth. Worth a lot that one. You could ask for information at www.keenjunk.com or advertise it for sale there.
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This has been a fun thread guys, both acquiring these items and the info and opinions offered.

Many thanks to all and especially to Harry for his contribution to this hobby
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