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Old 07-27-2005, 10:36:08 AM
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Default Chain Binders

This may be a silly question, but is there a consensus out there of whether there's a preference over a lever type chain binder versus a ratchet binder? Not sure if the ratchet is worth the extra $$$ though I've heard they're easier on the back than a lever binder...

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Old 07-27-2005, 11:04:32 AM
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Default Re: Chain Binders

I prefer the ratchet straps for things simply because it's much easier to take up slack in small increments than with a chain binder. They're also lighter and easier to find (wal-mart) than the chain binder + chain. It is also easier to fish the straps through places without ruining paint and that is my main reason for using the straps - paint savings.

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Default Re: Chain Binders

Mike

When I use chains, I perfer to use a rachet binder. I usully have to rachet it twice to get the slack out and then reset reset one end of the rachet binder to get the final location...this is needed to get the chain tight all around. I use a fixed lenght chain on one end and the rachet on the other...(fixed chain on direction of travel incase of a sudden stop...the rachet holds the other end (stress during acceleration) ).

Most of the time I use nylon rachet straps, but the chain is used on the big engine thru the cart (an additional 2"wide strap is used for additional security.

I also like to chock the wheels on the big stuff.
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Default Re: Chain Binders

On the smaller engines I use nylon straps. The bigger ones are my concern (15HP Reid / 22HP Bessemer) so they'll be tied down with a chain & binder. Thanks to all for the replies.

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Default Re: Chain Binders

the ratchet gives better infinate adjustment then the leve also a little easier to use (less force) i have moved equipment since i was a child but you will spend some money to get web straps to hold that kind of weight. there is also cables and the binders built to the truck trailer body that work well!
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Old 07-27-2005, 03:47:17 PM
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Default Re: Chain Binders

Maybe i'm reading your question wrong. chain binder vs chain screw typebinder with ratchet? the chain binder are quicker to tighten but need to be safety tied with wire to prevent untoggleing. the screw type do not need to be safety tied but are slower to adjust. its easy to over tighten the screw type and damage a light trailer or equipment you're hauling. if you ever haul a tractor DO NOT chain down over the transmission. you may break a tractor into two parts. always pull down where the trailer is pushing up on equipment (when you can, that is)

I like web binders, light, strong, easy, no noise, but you have to underlay them across edges that may cut or chaff them...I uses several layers of cardboard or cloth underlayment. i recently used chains and web to bind an engine. the vibration of the chain had chaffed the webbing by the time i got home.. guess i will have to purchase another set of webbing.
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Simle Rule - Rubber Tire Equipment - Use Lever Type Chain Binder
Track Type Equipment - Use Ratchet Type Chain Binder
I Have Both And Depends On What I Am Hauling
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Old 07-27-2005, 05:36:44 PM
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at work we use ratchet binders onervything from dozers to manlifts why have one of the old lever type when they loosen up so easy
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Does anybody really know what there state Law is about Tie Down.. I think theres a weight limit on straps...I use straps on Engines and Screw down Blocks..I Always Chain and Bind Tractors.. Thanks for the info Steve makes sence...on the binder being in front..Probably a Insurance Issue here if you had a accedient on the road ...Just some of my Thoughts while pulling a overloaded trailer with a overloaded truck... Byron
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Default Re: Chain Binders

There are regulations for everything,
Here are the federal requirements along with some other information.
http://www.truck-lite.com/tl/tl/reso.../PDF/13TEC.pdf

And, the DOT web site
http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regul.../fmcsr/393.htm

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To save your engine or tractor paint job, I run the chain through an old piece of fire hose. Works great. Regards, Al
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