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Old 08-02-2005, 11:21:25 AM
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Question 6 M cart pics needed

We need to build a cart for our IHC 6M. if anyone has any pictures of an original to look at it would be much appreciated.
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Old 08-02-2005, 12:33:35 PM
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Steve,

I have a 6HP M on the IHC factory horse cart option. If you want to build a cart similar to this I can provide some measurements. Take a look, and let me know if you want the measurements.
Here is the link to my web page on this engine:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/ferman/IHC-M.html
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Old 08-04-2005, 10:30:39 AM
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What is the overall length of the cart? I need to be able to get this unit and our 3-5 LA into the back of a pickup.
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Old 08-04-2005, 10:40:39 AM
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Default Re: 6 M cart pics needed

I heard cattail foundry was making the cart hardware that would bolt directly to the skids, same was a vertical famous setup. So; you build an exact copy skid, which is real easy for the M and buy the hardware. That would be 4 small wheels, bolster and handle setup.

I did not do this yet, nor do I know if the 6 hp and 3hp are the same or both available? I'd like to know and I think this would be a nice compact and authentic solution, minimum stoage and transport space.
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That sounds like the way to go.
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Old 08-04-2005, 05:21:05 PM
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Default Re: 6 M cart pics needed

The 1 1/2hp and 3hp trucks are the same. They are nothing even close to an original 6hp truck. I would not suggest putting a 6hp on one of the small M trucks. Especially if you plan on loading it in the back of your truck and hauling it around. I dont think the small trucks will handle the weight of the 6hp.
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Old 08-05-2005, 12:47:57 AM
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Default Re: 6 M cart pics needed

Hi Steve,

If you look back in the archives, i think you will find some information. if i remember correctly the 6m is on a truck made from 4 inch channel 64 inches long, axles 1 7/8 dia, 53.5 long, rear wheel 30" dia, front wheel 24" dia. this info is for horse drawn truck. i had started building a truck, but recently purchased a drop frame cart that i may mount my 6m on.
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Old 08-05-2005, 06:49:47 AM
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Does this mean that origionally the 6hp when mounted on wooden skids was not available with wheels. The 6hp required a full blown horse cart with a steel frame or else a stationary wood skid ?
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Old 08-05-2005, 08:08:00 AM
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Default Re: 6 M cart pics needed

That is correct Peter. The portable engines were on all steel trucks and did not use the skids. They did not have a hand portable truck that bolted on the skid. The portable trucks are quite large and would take up alot of room in the back of a pickup.
If space is a concern then I would say go with Peters idea and put some type of hand trucks on the skid. The small M trucks wont be heavy enough but I have seen some 6hp M engines with the small Famous hand trucks bolted to the skids and they seem to work well.
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Old 08-05-2005, 08:28:25 AM
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Default Re: 6 M cart pics needed

Thanks guys, good information. I think the cart I'll end up with will have to be as heavy as the horse drawn cart but maybe a little shorter and lower. Unless I can find some wheels next weekend, I will make my own. I have some 12" OD pipe 1/2" wall to make rims from, and will just machine up some hubs to suit. The 6 M is around 900 lbs, so it needs to be strong.
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Old 08-05-2005, 08:45:08 AM
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Default Re: 6 M cart pics needed

Steve, I'm building a set of trucks for my 6M also. Please be aware that a 6M runs relatively quietly on skids, especially when sitting on ground or on a firm foundation. But when you mount it on trucks with 30" wheels, it likes to jump around a bit. I think they were balanced more in the horizontal plane, to compensate for the piston/rod weight, than in the vertical plane. Good luck with your project.
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Old 08-05-2005, 12:09:59 PM
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Steve, here are the approximate measurements from the IHC horse cart. You might want use them as a guide for making your custom cart. The engine runs very stable on this cart.

IHC 6HP Model M on factory horse cart

The two main steel beams are 2" X 4" and are 63" long.
The beams are 10" apart (inside measurement)
The front wheel has a 24.5" diameter
The rear wheel has a 30.5" diameter
The wheel outside rim measurement is 3" wide for all wheels
The distance between axles (front to back) is approximately 59 inches
The Axles are 52” in length with mounted wheels measuring 47” (outside to outside)

The tongue is made of 2x4 oak , and is 57” long not counting hardware at each end.
Tool box is 15.25 length x 9.5 height x 8.75 width, and the lid is 16.25 x 10 (I don’t know if the tool box is original)

Here is a picture of 6HP Model M on this cart: http://www.oldengine.org/members/ferman/IHC-M.html

Hope this helps,

Johnny
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Old 08-05-2005, 02:58:10 PM
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Johnny, do you have a more detailed picture of the front axle/5th wheel arrangement?
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