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Old 08-02-2005, 11:20:37 PM
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Anyone know what make this engine is? Bob
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Hi Bob The engine is a Charter made in Sterling Illinois. Marty
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Old 08-03-2005, 12:02:06 AM
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Sterling is just down the road a piece! I dont think you have room for a engine that size Bob!
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Lightbulb Re: unknown very early Gas Engine

It could also be a Farr & Trefts built in Buffalo NY. I've got an old advertisement from them and it looks ALOT like this engine.
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I agree with Marty. It is a Charter. It has the fuel injector in the air intake pipe,The mechanical oiler for the cylinder,match start,And ignitor mounted below the hot tube chimney,and large compression release on top of the cylinder.
Look in the yellow book,page93,bottom right hand corner.
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Um, what is "The yellow book"?
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Hi Steve, the yellow book is Wendel,s book of early day gas engines. I would say it's like an encyclopedia of engines. But for some reason my book is red? Not sure what the difference is, but that's the color I bought it years ago. If you get a chance, buy the book. It's a great reference to have. I wonder if that engine could be a Fairbanks Morse? I better take another look
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I think John Charter went to work for F-M so there probably be some simularities in design.The pics look alot like an opposite hand type N On possibly the negatives of the pics were printed backwards. Rob
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Bob Didn't Charter build engines under license from Otto ?
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Default Re: unknown very early Gas Engine

Bud, No look on page 92 in your byb they used the coal oil engine patent of franz Burger. with two more patents in 1879. also patent issued to John Charter Jan, 9, 1883, created by Franz Burger. the design was altered to avoid infringemet of the otto patents
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Bob
Thank you! I can't look at page 92 because that book is at Dads. 17 miles away. And years since I have looked at it I hope to see you Saturday at Franklin Grove! There is a museum that I have been to in Sterling in the Dillon Mansion ( american Steel and wire) They had some Pics of some Charter Stuff I can't remember what. I might have to check it out again!
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