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Massey Harris Type 1 Just found in France


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Old 08-13-2005, 02:50:23 PM
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Hi There

I have just found buried in rubble a Massey Harris type 1 engine 2hp 500rpm shop no N689

Does anyone have any info on this engine ?

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Old 08-13-2005, 03:56:46 PM
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Phil...

According to Wendels' book American Gasoline Engines since 1872, he states the following: " Through the 1910 purchase of Deyo-Macey Company of Binghampton, New York, Massey-Harris entered the gas engine business. Engine production continued at Binghampton until 1916, at which time the manufacturing of machinery was moved to a newly constructed plant at Weston, Ontario. Depicted here is the No. 1 style, built in 1 1/2, 3, 4 1/2, 6, 8, 12, 15, and 20 horsepower sizes. Features included hit-and-miss governing plus the cylinder, cylinder head, and water jacket cast in one piece. Although the open jacket design was standard equipment, a closed jacket could be furnished on order ".
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Old 08-13-2005, 07:12:09 PM
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Phil,

What an exciting find . Check this one out on eBay that sold recently, item # 7536191162 for some info and good pics. Some quick info for you that I know: cast-in-base fuel tank, hit & miss, sn# is stamped on end of crankshaft,tag and top of base behind the oiler; the N signifies 2 hp. That engine was built in Weston (top of Toronto), Ontario, Canada. Most common paint scheme is all red with green flywheels. Standard ignition was sparkplug and coil but a Webster option was added later and it is much harder to find one so equipped. More often than not the valve cages need removed to clean up the valves and the intake is usually broken or will break upon removal. There is a dearth of repro / replacement parts for these Type "1"'s so hopefully most of it is there for you. Most people I know just make the parts they need for these engines as none seem to be available. Again, nice find and let's see some pics !

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Default Re: Massey Harris Type 1 Just found in France

A couple of Massey Type I from the 1995 Inverary, Ontario show for your reference.

The one on eBay doesn't have the distinctive alcove in the water hopper and it has a much larger head. Also, the hopper opening is larger and the rocker arm is different.
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Thanks Andrew

The ebay link showed all the pictures of this engine, and it seems that my engine is complete and has the webster ignition system. The only difference is that mine has a different carburetter fitted, but the original was found sitting in the water cooler!

I had no idea these engines are so valuable, looks like I have a great little project to keep me occupied through the winter months.

At the moment I am trying to free up the piston and valves, all soaking in diesel (including me!)

I will post some photos when I have worked out how to.

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Old 08-14-2005, 05:37:25 AM
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Hi Harry

My engine is exactly the same as the one on ebay, except for a load more rust!

Thanks for the photos

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Old 08-14-2005, 06:25:12 AM
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Here are some photos just after I hosed it off
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Here are some pictures of my 2hp Massey-Harris type 1 engine.
http://buzzcoil.brinkster.net/page305.html
Mine does not have the Webster mag on it.
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Looks like you need a muffler and fuel mixer. That thing's not original is it?
Great find! congratulations. Can you tell us more about how you found it?
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Dad Burnit! Some folks have all the luck!!! It looks to be mostly complete and it's good that you have the original mixer. You can give the one on it back to the Model "T" Ford it came from.

Looks like an excellent candidate for electrolysis.

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Phil,
Thanks for the photos; looks great ! I'm with Kevin on this one....I'd like to know the story behind the recovery. The pics that Harry posted are of a 3 hp M-H. Only the very early 1 1/2 hp and the 2 hp share the unique design that you have acquired. That "little" fella weighs about 460 lbs. With your 3 digit sn# I'd put your engine around early 1916 production. You can try Allan Haugh in Brucefield,Ontario for a repro manual on your engine:
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Here is a list of serial numbers I gathered over the years on Massey-harris Type 1 and type 2 gasoline engines:
http://buzzcoil.brinkster.net/page350.html
end me an email if you want your Massey-Harris engine added to this list.
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Bought at an auction awhile back. They called it an Olds, but it isn't. I think it's a Deyo or early MH. Saw a photo of a Deyo at Coolsprings awhile back and mine sure looks like a Deyo . Got the flywheel hubs fixed and it's all back together and it runs .
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Paul, your engine sure looks like a M-H. Is there a serial number anywhere on your engine? Thanks! Denis Rouleau
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Can anyone tell me exactly where in Weston the Massey plant was located?
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Does anyone make repro mufflers for these? My neighbor has an older restoration one with repro crankguard identical to the one just found in France.
I will get his numbers and email them to the list. A muffler would sure finish this off. Right now it has one made from a cast iron floor drain! It needs help.
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Paul, your engine sure looks like a M-H. Is there a serial number anywhere on your engine? Thanks! Denis Rouleau
Denis: No engine tag and haven't found a serial #in the usual places. Where does one look on a M H Thanks-Paul
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We moved to France from the UK about 3 years ago, bought a rough old French farmhouse to renovate and live in, and thrown in with the deal was a derelict building which looks very like an old chateau, but could just be a fortified farm. This building, or part of it was lived in up till about 1970.

Only this last week we got the digger in and started to clear away some of the rubble. Second day in and I hooked up on a tooth of the bucket the flywheel of this little engine. Not very deep. just covered with about three feet of rubble, roof tiles and rotten timbers. At first thought it may be a water pump, but soon realised it was an old engine. Took it home on the tractor, hosed it off, could just make out on the plaque the words "Massey Harris Gasoline Engine"

Well then I got on the internet and through the site Yesterdays Tractors got in contact with Jeb Lloyd and he told me about you guys.

I must say a big THANK YOU to Jeb and all you enthusiasts for the info and pics sent through.

I have included a couple of before and after photos of the site where we found it.

The story will continue as I am bound to need YOUR knowledge as I help this cool little engine back to life.

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Phil
-I think that's awesome about how you came across the engine. I hope you get that thing back up & running. To find it with the crankguard & tag and Webster mag set-up AND to come across the carb is unbelievable .

Steve
-The M-H engine & tractor plant was on Weston Rd South, just south of the 401. I don't have the street number handy. It would have been referred to as Main St in early literature. That's also where they built the Parret-designed tractor.

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-I think you have an early 3 hp Massey Type "1" built in N.Y. at the old Deyo-Macey factory. Timing gears are outside the crankcase. We know very early M-H engines had the top of the hopper bolted on and the carb screwed in, not bolted on. A sn# will be stamped behind the oiler on top of the crankcase....looks like you'll have to scrape some paint to find it. Massey acquired the Deyo factory by 1913, not 1910 as seems to be repeated everywhere. Massey made their own engines in N.Y. until the whole factory was moved to a new plant in Weston,Ontario in 1916. M-H marketed the Olds engines from Seager Engine Works of Lansing from 1911-1913 and that relationship ended when Rumely bought Seager.

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Denis: No engine tag and haven't found a serial #in the usual places. Where does one look on a M H Thanks-Paul
Paul, the serial number is stamped in three places on a M-H type 1 engine:
a) on the name tag; b) at the foot of the drip oiler; c) on the end of the crankshaft.
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