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Black & Decker Super-Service Valve Refacer


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Old 04-19-2006, 08:38 PM
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Default Black & Decker Super-Service Valve Refacer

Hi,
I was at my local scrap yard today cashing in some scrap aluminum and some other metals. And I spotted this table top Valve Grinder, which one of the guys working the yard told me I could have if I wanted it. Its in pretty decent shape all of the adjustments work, I need to replace the cord. I think one side is missing some parts, but the other has a wheel which is in good shape. I am wondering if anyone has a manual or further information on these.
it is a 11/16 Super- Service Valve Refacer
Cat No : 550 Type : P Serial : 2183580
It has two electric motors.
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Old 04-19-2006, 08:54 PM
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Default Re: Black & Decker Super-Service Valve Refacer

I've heard they work well but you can't buy stones for them. I hope you can. If not, maybe you could retrofit some or maybe the ones on it would last you a lifetime anyhow with occasional use. Kevin
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Old 04-19-2006, 10:03 PM
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Default Re: Black & Decker Super-Service Valve Refacer

I have a B & D valve grinder like yours. I have bought stones from Goodson Corp. They sell lots of auto engine related tools & supplies.www.goodson.com
A very good machine. Doug
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Old 04-19-2006, 10:18 PM
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Great find, I have used mine quite a bit. Now keep your eye out for the tools to do the seats and you'll be set.

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Default Re: Black & Decker Super-Service Valve Refacer

Thanks guys for the responses. Doug I checked the Goodson Website, and I found what wheels would fit my Machine. I am wondering how old this thing is and if anyone has a manual I can have a copy of, I will pay for it. Also how is the coolant pump hooked up, I think I am missing a line and there appears to be a place were a tray would fit.
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Old 04-20-2006, 08:31 PM
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Default Re: Black & Decker Super-Service Valve Refacer

I have a couple of B&D stones and tool they mount on for cutting the valve seats.
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Old 04-20-2006, 10:07 PM
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I bought a complete setup a year ago at a local John Deere tractor repair shop. We knew the owner real well and he kept insisting we had to buy it so I did paid $375.00 for it. Have used it a few times and works good especially the seat grinder. Keven
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Default Re: Black & Decker Super-Service Valve Refacer

I have purchased one of these valve grinders....does anyone know if there are any places that carry collets for this machine...I would like to be able to do valves for small engines...any help is greatly appreciated, Brian.
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Default Re: Black & Decker Super-Service Valve Refacer

bedorr,
ckeck this site. It has dimension charts to identify collets. If your machine uses one of the ones listed, you may be able to find them at ENCO or Hardinge. Hope you find this helpful.

http://shopswarf.orcon.net.nz/sindex.html

The site has lots of other info also. PT
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Default Re: Black & Decker Super-Service Valve Refacer

Jonathan,
I found an old machine at the flea market. Catalog number 6305. I'm looking for a manual and some stones. Drop me an email if you find a place.
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Doug
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Default Re: Black & Decker Super-Service Valve Refacer

I have a Black & Decker Cat# 6305 table top valve grinder. If anyone has information on how I can get a manual and parts for this machine please email me.

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Doug Perfetti
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Default Re: Black & Decker Super-Service Valve Refacer

I have one like this, I get all my stuff from Goodsons. They have about all stones and misc. for all brand valve grinders and refacers. I`ll try to get a web address or phone No.. M&WJoe
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I have one like this, I get all my stuff from Goodsons. They have about all stones and misc. for all brand valve grinders and refacers. I`ll try to get a web address or phone No.. M&WJoe
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Default Re: Black & Decker Super-Service Valve Refacer

I found a manual for my dad's B&D valve grinder from this ebay seller.

http://ebay.com/ebaymotors/Black-Decker-No-282-550-Valve-Grinder-Manual

he has s few different manuals
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This stuff is really hard to find, I need all the help I can get. Thanks Will.
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Default Re: Black & Decker Super-Service Valve Refacer

I have a B&D valve refacer too and I need to fire it up to do a couple antique heads or I should say valves. Mine appears to be a bit older than some of those pictured but I've noticed over the years that Black and Decker made a lot of minor changes to these things as the years went along.

Both of the motors on mine have individual power cords that plug into their own single recessed receptacles that are installed in the back of the base casting. I replaced all the wiring on mine, using the original old plugs and switch, but my receptacles are falling apart.

I've got just enough to piece things together from my scrap bin but I'd sure like to find a pair of those receptacles so I could complete the restoration correctly. (Don't have the number handy). The receptacles are two prong as are the plugs, but 2 of the plugs have a green ground pigtail protruding from them to connect to a ground screw.

Mine is one of the "red" ones. I found enough literature over the years to allow me to operate. The also made a lot of attachments for refacing lifters, rocker arms, etc. The one thing you need, though, is the diamond stone truing attachment.
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Default Re: Black & Decker Super-Service Valve Refacer

Kid,

I think your machine is close to mine. It has 2 indivudal motors and and a small round coolant pump. Is the ID tag a "winged Black & Decker emblum" size 9/16 type LW ? from what I can gather these were made in the mid 30's, I haven't been able to find out much on mine, Blacker & Decker customer service hasn't been too helpful with this machine, since it was made before they started using catalog numbers, this only has a type number. What info have you been able to find on yours ? This is the 2nd machine I have, the 1st one(the one I started the post about) I sold at a swap meet, it needed alot of work.

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I just came in from the garage after using my own machine for the first time. I fixed up a Fairbanks Morse ZA 3 hp 1920 head, and an antique marine engine head got it's valves refaced. My real project for the valve refacer and seat grinder set is another marine engine head. This must be perfect, or close to.

I forgot to gather any info like serial or model number but I will do so tomorrow and a photo or two ta-boot. Right now, I only have the single stone for the valve grinder and I have to get this job done with it, period. Also, I'm less than happy with the wiring on the work drive motor. I checked it off as okay but it needs improvement.

I bought my machine out from under a collapsed garage and in Seattle, that can be bad, but I think I lucked out. I dug through a real pile of rotten crap, grease, and blackberry vines, looking for any assessory pieces and I'm glad I did because I found a few things, like a couple of diamond stone dressing tools. My only Black and Decker literature is kind of a general "how to do valves book" and is about the same vintage as my machine.


I've been around these things for a while and recently received excellent re-training from a shop partner who does much of the big, vintage diesel valve work in the northwest. His machine can't do the little valves, and my machine will be available to him.

My thinking is that the seat grinder is a steeper learning curve.
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I have a Black and Decker 1/2" valve refacer that I've never used. I was wondering what it is worth. The stone seems to be in good shape, but both motors could use new wiring.
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Kid,
Here are a couple pictures of other valve grinder.
~ Jonathan
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