Less than 10 (Rare Engines)

[George Best]

Originally Posted by Mike in NC

Otto & Langen Atmospheric engine.

Tony, real nice engine. We saw it a couple years ago in West Jefferson, NC

So Mike, how many Otto Langens are there? I know there is one in England, at least one or two in Germany.

There are 4 full size reproductions being made. One of which was at the Nuenen 2006 show.

[Jim McCracken]

I may have several but not sure about some of them.
Not sure how many additional examples exist.
Standard Gas Engine Company 1 1/2 hp horizontal hit & miss BYB# 1 pg 477
upper left.{also have an air cooled Standard horizontal hit& miss but not in any of my books.}
Gould Shapley & Muir 6 hp tank cooled.
Keller 5 hp hopper cooled
Kneeland hopper cooled
Cp&J" Badger" 4 1/2 hp SS Tank cooled
John Lauson 2 1/2 hp horizontal tank cooled throttler "special electric"
Fuller & Johnson 2 1/2 hp vertical hopper cooled ignitor fired
Stover 6 hp horizontal tank cooled square push rod. BYB#1 pg489 ctr pic
"work in progress"
Home power 1 hp vertical air cooled.

[Mtype]

I have a 2hp fielding and platt gas engine i have seen 1 other gas engine that is very much different and 1 other oil engine in person and i have got photos of 2 others both oil engines. I have also got a 9hp bentall that at this stage is only 1 i have seen in person and i have photos of 3 more 9hp. Cam

[Nick]

I got a couple to add.

Fuller & Johnson 6hp oil cooled engine - last I knew there were 6 or 7 of this size left.

Fuller & Johnson Big 4 Pumper - about 100 of these were made, mine is the only one known in the US but there are at least half a dozen more over in Oz.

Fuller & Johnson JW B-2 - 18 of these were made, mine is one of 3 left.

Fuller & Johnson 776K sawrig - I know of a couple factory portable sawrigs around but none are of this type.

Counterfeit Fuller & Johnson - Canadian made copy of a Fuller & Johnson 4hp N. I have no idea what this one would of been called or who made it (possably Manitoba Engine & Pump Co.?) when it was made or how many were built but it've not come across another.

All can be seen on my website photo gallery.

[Bob Ronning]

5 hp Screened cooled Great Westren. I have 9 Great Westren engines on my list, but I know there has to be a lot more. 8 of them are hopper cooled.
My 5 hp is screened cooled. Bob Ronning

[ellinw02]

I have a Fuller and Johnson People's Priced 1 1/4 HP that I finally seen another one at an auction about a month ago. I have a Jaeger 6 HP XK engine. I've seen other pictures of 6XK Economy and Hercules versions. The XI gasoline only versions are probably rarer still. Combining all the 6XK's and 6XI's probably number more than 10. I'd like to see a 8 HP XK. I've never seen even a picture of one or even heard of one that still exists.

[Patrick M Livingstone]

There are only 3 throttle-governed vertical Stovers known to exist; two YC 6hp engines and a YB 4hp. This is my YC:

[ellinw02]

I just looked at Nick's website and see he now has a 1 1/4 hp People's Priced engine...that makes three of them I know of. Just a couple of quick questions for Nick. Is that original paint on yours, is that the correct exhaust pipe and muffler, lastly are the People's Priced engines supposed to be green with the Fuller and Johnson Decal on one side or both sides of the hopper?

[Nick]

Originally Posted by ellinw02

I just looked at Nick's website and see he now has a 1 1/4 hp People's Priced engine...that makes three of them I know of. Just a couple of quick questions for Nick. Is that original paint on yours, is that the correct exhaust pipe and muffler, lastly are the People's Priced engines supposed to be green with the Fuller and Johnson Decal on one side or both sides of the hopper?

No that's not original paint on mine but an older resto using cheap paint, I'll be putting that right this winter. These engines would have been painted in the early dark green color with yellow striping and bare flywheel rims. Possably very late engines might of had a decal. I have seen several with FULLER & JOHNSON stenciled in yellow on the hopper. I believe Steve Barr has one such example as does the 1 1/4 pictured in Verne's book.

And yes that is the original exh pipe and muffler. Just a standard length of 3/4 pipe, uses same muffler as the early 1 1/2 N. I think Starbolt might have them in 3/4 pipe?

[ellinw02]

Just a couple more pictures of my Jaeger 6XK

[Al Wait]

If you want odd-balls, look to the ranks of oil-field "half-breeds": steam engines converted to gas engines. Hardly any two alike. Al Wait

[Jim Sherman]

Well, not less than 10 but a total of ten of these on Glenn Karchs' list. I'm sure there are more out the but he knows of only 10 of these early model "B" Sparta Economy 4HP's like mine, the bulk of the model B's on his list are 2HP but only 19 of them known.

[Jim Sherman]

I haven't seen a whole bunch of these 5HP Frisco Standard vertical sideshafts with no governor either but I have no way of attaining an accurate count. It seems like there is more of the model with governors out there, and still not a lot of them either.

[Patrick M Livingstone]

I only know of 10 of these (8 in the USA and 2 here in Oz). This is my vertical Columbus:


http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/columbus1.html

[George Best]

Originally Posted by Jim McCracken

I may have several but not sure about some of them.
Standard Gas Engine Company 1 1/2 hp horizontal hit & miss BYB# 1 pg 477
upper left.{also have an air cooled Standard horizontal hit& miss but not in any of my books.}
Gould Shapley & Muir 6 hp tank cooled.
Keller 5 hp hopper cooled
Kneeland hopper cooled
Cp&J" Badger" 4 1/2 hp SS Tank cooled
John Lauson 2 1/2 hp horizontal tank cooled throttler "special electric"
Fuller & Johnson 2 1/2 hp vertical hopper cooled ignitor fired
Stover 6 hp horizontal tank cooled square push rod. BYB#1 pg489 ctr pic
"work in progress"

Jim,

You didn't say how many of each of your engines are known to exist.

[Lcjudge]

Here are some that I know of that might qualify(a few photos attached):

10 HP Type G Olds
15 HP Ingeco SS Electric Lighting
16 HP New Era Spur and Bevel Gear Model
12 HP Heathcock Rush
1 1/2 HP Upright Gearless Olds
8 HP IHC (Not a Famous, earliest IH documented)
22 HP GSM 2 cylinder opposed SS
50 HP 2 Cyl. Hagan
4 HP Charter (pre 1890 model)
6 HP KC Lightning
16 HP KC Lightning
2 HP Springfield
1 1/2 HP Stickney
3 1/2 HP Hagan Electric Lighting
14 HP Hagan Electric Lightning
4 HP Tank Cooled Mogul (is there more than 10)
2 HP Geiser
4 HP Geiser
2 HP Hagan
5 HP Miami
4 HP Titan SS
6 HP Southern Engine & Boiler Works
2 HP Geiser
15 HP Alamo (very early with Watts Linkage)
30 HP 2 cylinder Hagan
6 HP Sumner (predates FM Watkins)

[Patrick M Livingstone]

One of my favourite engines is my 12hp R&V L Line 'Triumph Line' engine. It is one of only a handful of these known to exist and the only one fitted with the kerosene attachment.


http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/rv12hp.html

[Gary Gruel]

George, how about The Anderson made by the Anderson Tool Co. Anderson, Indiana. 1 1/2 Hp. Model 12 No. 330. You have a picture of it. It is verticle air cooled.

[Bill Anderson]

I have a Gilson verticle 4 1/2 hp (November 2000 GEM) Know of another in Oregon.

Also have 6hp Sheffield (August 05 GEM) only know of 2 others with that name on a hit n miss engine, one 25hp, one 2hp. Not a Railroad hand car engines.

Any more out there I'd like to know?

Also have a friend with a 12hp Heathcock Rush. I think it qualifies!

Bill

[Lcjudge]

Sorry George, I should have listed how many of each that I know of. I've added it in parenthesis at the end of each:

10 HP Type G Olds (1)
15 HP Ingeco SS Electric Lighting (1)
16 HP New Era Spur and Bevel Gear Model (1)
12 HP Heathcock Rush (2)
1 1/2 HP Upright Gearless Olds (4?)
8 HP IHC (Not a Famous, earliest IH documented) (1)
22 HP GSM 2 cylinder opposed SS (5)
50 HP 2 Cyl. Hagan (1)
4 HP Charter (pre 1890 model) (3?)
6 HP KC Lightning portable (1)
16 HP KC Lightning (1)
2 HP Springfield (2)
1 1/2 HP Stickney (6)
3 1/2 HP Hagan Electric Lighting (1)
14 HP Hagan Electric Lightning (1)
4 HP Tank Cooled Mogul (is there more than 10?)
2 HP Geiser Old Style (4)
4 HP Geiser Old Style (4)
2 HP Hagan (8)
5 HP Miami (3)
4 HP Titan SS (8)
6 HP Southern Engine & Boiler Works (1)
15 HP Alamo (very early with Watts Linkage) (1)
30 HP 2 cylinder Hagan (1)
6 HP Sumner (predates FM Watkins) (1)