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Old 03-06-2007, 12:20 AM
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I have a 9 cylinder Guiberson radial Diesel. It uses a Breeze shotgun type shell starter. Anyone know a source for shells? I may have to try something like nitrogen to kick it over. The Breeze starter uses a piston on a spiral shaft to engage a dog on the crankshaft end to spin it over. Anyone have experience using high pressure gas in these starters?
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Old 03-06-2007, 01:02 AM
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Go to the following link for information on Coffman starters that are similar to what you describe.
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Old 03-06-2007, 04:38 AM
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Hi Pacrat,
recently sold my Guiberson T1020 to a Tank collector mate to go back into a tank. Had mine some 25 years, lots of fun at Engine Rallies and Air Shows listening to comments from both radial engine savvy and non-savvy people. The looks on their faces when they coud'nt find the carby or spark plugs and discovered the injectors.
Mine was removed from a converted to a dozer tank after it blew a piston. I did get it to run. After chasing up the last of the injectors and fuel pumps here in OZ and some suitable rings and a couple of pistons and used cylinders I was able to tune it up and get it to run properly! After some running on the dyno at work it settled in and tuned up OK.
I had the back blow out of the breach one time and heard that people in tanks had been killed by these things, so I then chased up a large Jack & Hines inertia starter= MUCH SAFER at shows etc.This starter would start even an engine in soso condition--- mine when I first got it, and 2 others I have got going for others.
I think there was a post here some little time back about a chap over there who was starting his Guiberson from a Nitrogen bottle, gets about 10 starts I believe. Treasure your engine they are great fun.
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Old 03-06-2007, 05:21 AM
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Hi again Pacrat,
if you search under Guiberson on here you will come up with an article on Nordberg Engines in there Elden Durand makes mention of the Guiberson being started by 2,500 psi "oxygen cylinder" DONT== BIG BANG !!! . Im sure he meant an air or nitrogen cylinder== looks like an Oxygen cyl. I guess.
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The Coffman starters are kinda neat, but are also hard on an engine due to the sudden shock of the charge going off...short of reloading your own shells or using a gas bottle as previously mentioned you would probably be better off finding a good inertial starter. Most of these used a standardized mounting and driving dog so it is just a matter of finding the correct size to fit your engine. (I have one that fits the W-670, R-985, R-1340, and some others.) Since these were used on much larger engines, finding one that can crank your higher compression diesel should not be too hard. Give Sun Airparts in California a call, they may be able to help....you may also try contacting the AEHS (aircraft engine historical society--www.enginehistory.org) As you may know, the inertial starters sound really cool as you wind them up and then pull the lever to engage them! ...since I sold my R-985 I am thinking about adapting one of the starters to one of my Fairbanks-Morse engines.

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Hi again Pacrat,
if you search under Guiberson on here you will come up with an article on Nordberg Engines in there Elden Durand makes mention of the Guiberson being started by 2,500 psi "oxygen cylinder" DONT== BIG BANG !!! . Im sure he meant an air or nitrogen cylinder== looks like an Oxygen cyl. I guess.
Hope this helps
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Eddie:

My post must have been written confusingly (I do that sometimes!). The guy with the Guiberson I mentioned started it off an oxygen bottle that was filled with AIR. He used a scuba compressor to pump it up to 2,500 PSI with AIR!

I agree that the cartridge starters are hard on engines. I read in a WWII aircraft book that some planes were equipped with this system for emergency starts. The new engine was shipped with a box of shells and when they were used up, the engine was supposed to be removed and rebuilt. The shock loads from starting from the cartridges highly stressed the engine.

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Eddie:

My post must have been written confusingly (I do that sometimes!). The guy with the Guiberson I mentioned started it off an oxygen bottle that was filled with AIR. He used a scuba compressor to pump it up to 2,500 PSI with AIR!

I agree that the cartridge starters are hard on engines. I read in a WWII aircraft book that some planes were equipped with this system for emergency starts. The new engine was shipped with a box of shells and when they were used up, the engine was supposed to be removed and rebuilt. The shock loads from starting from the cartridges highly stressed the engine.

Take care - Elden
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I would really like to see that set up. I have an engine that needs 250 psi to start and I dont have a compressor big enough to handle that. I wonder what a scuba compressor costs.
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I have a friend with a Guiberson Radial Diesel and he shows it at engine shows and starts it on Nitrogen bottle. He has a Tee handle valve that he can turn on quickly and shut off quickly. It starts on the first charge every time. Not sure what the pressure is regulated at.
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I would love to see a Guiberson Diesel setup for a show. Any one have any pics. they could share here? Thanks men for the starter stories . Waiting for our thaw to kick in. - John.
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http://www.agsem.com/jimchurch.html

Down near the bottom of the page are links to two identical videos, the only difference the screen size:

Jim Church Broadband - VJimChurchB.mpg
14,196,740b - 640 x 480 pixels screen size.
Jim Church Dial up - VJimChurchD.mpg
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The second half of these 101.5 second videos, you can see and hear a
Guiberson Radial running.

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