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Old 04-09-2008, 10:37 AM
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I have seen some model "T" engines that were originally spark plug and used a different type magneto then a wico EK. I will try to post a few photos of these engines when I can.
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David, I think the models were serial numbered individually by Nelson. I have a T with Webster ignition that is #100 and another with Wico that is in the 17,xxx range. I've not heard of any two digit serial numbers, so I don't know if mine is the first T produced for sale. I ran into #113 a couple of years ago at a show. It, along with my engine, uses a crude updraft mixer that has to be almost completely choked to run. This is because it dumps the fuel on the choke plate and then sniffs it up. It is quite tempermental if you accidentally open the choke a little too far. The later side draft design like yours is much better because it gives the fuel a place to pool and isn't so tempermental about the choke setting.

If you check out my Webshots galleries, you can see pics of both Jumbos I have. The later one is still in its work clothes and retains a lot of the original pinstriping. For whatever reason, they only pinstriped the off side and front of the hopper. I've seen one other original and it was the same way.

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If you are finding pictures that suggest paint color variations of the Nelson family, please do post them at the Yahoo group. That web site has grown a bit and is becoming useful to us all......I hope.
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David, I think the models were serial numbered individually by Nelson. I have a T with Webster ignition that is #100 and another with Wico that is in the 17,xxx range.]
I have a 3 horse "MONARCH" built by NELSON Bros, and sold by the ROYAL ENGINE CO. of Saginaw MICH. with serial number 5317. It originally had a webster with ignitor, but had been changed over to a plug and buzz coil. I couldn't find an ignitor bracket(303M72), so I ordered a changeover kit to an "EK"... This engine is built the same patern as my 1 3/4 type "T" Little Jumbo with the exception of a slanted water hopper rather than the square one.
I think you are correct that Nelson brothers assigned the serial number to ALL of the engines they bulit and sold regardless of what company put their badge on them, so that they could keep up with the warranty perhaps?
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I think you are correct that Nelson brothers assigned the serial number to ALL of the engines they bulit and sold regardless of what company put their badge on them, so that they could keep up with the warranty.
I believe all Nelson Bros engines left the factory with the model letter(s) and serial number stamped on the face of the flywheel. If Nelson Bros was to sell the engine themselves they would attach their "Jumbo Line" tag to the engine BUT if the engine was sent to a jobber it would leave Saginaw without a tag. The jobber was responsible to add its own tag to the engine and duplicating on their tag the serial number and model letter stamped on the flywheel by Nelson Bros. I have an early Nelson Bros. 1-3/4hp. model "TA" with an "Ontario Wind Engine & Pump Co. Ltd" and OWE&PCo. have decided to rate this 1-3/4hp at 2hp. The model T and TA are almost identical, the T came with the Nelson Bros tag and the TA came with a jobber's tag.


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[QUOTEI have a 3 horse "MONARCH" built by NELSON Bros, and sold by the ROYAL ENGINE CO. of Saginaw MICH. with serial number 5317. :[/QUOTE

Here is the tag being restored, I've only seen one other Royal engine around, Does anyone have any history of this company?
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=David M. Lyon;295099 I've only seen one other Royal engine around, Does anyone have any history of this company?
Nelson Bros. was the maker of the "Jumbo Line" of gasoline/kerosene engines. They were also the maker of a nearly identical line of trade-name engines, likely sold through Nelson's "marketing arm" called the "ROYAL ENGINE Co." which branch used the trade mark name "MONARCH".
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From your entries it appears you and your wife are into the hobby "together". It helps when you can both enjoy the same things, and in todays busy world do things together, My wife also enjoys the hobby and is right there with me. Cheers to you both and great times. Graeme
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Graeme,
My wife has been into old iron and going to shows longer than I have. My FIL got me into old iron. So I guess you can say old iron got me married. lol
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please tell me what kind of coil that is? I have seen some that were used as CTs current transformers. Just wondering if they are teh same.
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Here is a chart of the different models built by Nelson Bros.
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Dennis,
Thanks for the chart it will help alot.


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Randy,

The coil in the photo is off of a old ford automotive aircondition. They work very well for a low tension coil.
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