Mounting Clutch to build a Power Unit

[Dan S]

HELP!

I would like to build a new power unit for my sawmill. My Waukesha 6BK is tired.

For an engine, I would like to use the engine out of a Internation 715 Combine. This particular one is a 6 cyl gas model and i believe it is the same engine used in Farmall 560's. These engines are plentiful and fairly easy to find parts for.

To round out the power unit, I need to get a clutch mounted on it. How do I go about that? My Waukesha has one, but I'm not certain it would work on something elase. I would like to use something similar to a Rockford.

Suggestions? Any advice would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Dan S

[Mike Cannon]

Dan ~ I am certainly no authority on saw mills but when the sawmill at the organization was redone 5 years ago,we used a donor International small dumptruck engine [6 cylinder not too big] . The transplant team kept the 4 speed transmission as part of the operation. No need to fuss about the clutch as it was already there.It purrs along nicely in second gear and all is well. The only odd bit of engineering was the adding of a nice governor which was an external bolt up job.The International used to really bog when it first bit the log until this was added. I think the brand name of the governor was Hoof ,but I could be mistaken there. Good Luck . Mike

[John Schwiebert]

I think you might be all right. Without me spending some time looking that is known as the 264 engine (no sleeves) Since the basic block was also used in a truck and also sold by IH as a power unit you should be able to find a bellhousing for it that has a standard SAE bolt pattern. Then you need to find out what number bellhousing you have and then order a clutch that has torque capacity and will fit that SAE bellhousing. Clear as mud. You may need to change flywheels if you are going to an overcenter clutch. By the way the tractor engine is known as a C-263.

[Dan S]

John, Mike,

Thank you for the replies. That gives me a few ideas. The biggest thing I was uncertain of is what to do for the bell housing. Looking at the engine mounted to the combines, the housing that is on there definately wouldn't work. After I got the proper housing and flywheel, I think I can make it from there. I don't know much about paring these types of things up.

Any other suggestions for motors?

I would prefer to stick to gas models (I can work on those; Diesel not so good), but am not married to any particular model. The thought behind the 715 IH is there is a lot of those machines around so parts should be aplenty for a few years. Most of these combines have relatively low hours as compared to buying a used power unit already set up.

My other engine thought was that out of a K Gleaner; they had an inline 6 about the same HP and built by GM.

Thanks Again. Dan

[Dan S]

To provide a bit more informaiton about why I am on this quest....

The plan is to use this on my sawmill. I currently have a Waukesha 6Bk with clutch as my power unit. It works good, but the problem is that it has been overheating on me. I think the reason it is overheating is the result of using straight well water with high iron content in it for many, many years, which has caused a buildup in the engine and poor coolant circulation.

This particular setup is 1920's vintage and parts are getting difficult to find.

I think I could probably solve the overheating problem by doing a complete overhaul. Although, when I am done, i would still have an old engine that is difficult to find parts for.

Electric would be the ultimate solution, but 3-phase is not available where I have the mill set.

Dan S

[John Schwiebert]

I don't know how large a mill you have or how much you saw. Dad and his brothers used to have a saw mill. He said two things you need. A sharp saw and plenty of power for tough conditions. If you are going low budget I would consider a 4-71 Detroit diesel. Between the IH and the GM go IH. Parts for those in line 6 cylinder GM engines are also getting harder to come by. Does you Waukesha have a Rockford clutch that you could install on your new power plant? No doubt it has a standard SAE bell housing of some size.