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Frozen stuck parts


i know this might be listed some place before. i have a govener shaft that is frozen and i can...

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Old 11-14-2008, 05:50 PM
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Default Frozen stuck parts

i know this might be listed some place before.

i have a govener shaft that is frozen and i can free it up i have been working almost a mounth with pen oil and heat now i am working on heat and then diping it in to ATF fluid. ( a trick a buddy uses to free parts.) any one have any ideas am i going about this the right way or should i do somthing more. i have herd about heating it up and adding candle wax?? then cooling it. yes during the removel i did brake the bottom off the bracket but looking close i found it was cracked before since there was rust half through.
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Old 11-14-2008, 06:41 PM
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There are many ways to play a guitar as well , and plenty of people will be quick to point out that you are DOING IT WRONG . But that isnt the case at all . You could choose heat with oil and wax , a torch and a wet rag/ steam . boiling in oil , heating and tapping .

Here's one method I really like . http://royalcrossfarm.com/electrolysis.htm
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Old 11-14-2008, 06:45 PM
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A friend showed me this one time and by george it works, provided all the parts are cast iron or steel. Heat the frozen part up to almost a dull red and throw it in a bucket of water. The hot part in the water will allow water to get into the cracks and it will boil away the rust. Don't know if that's what happens but it works. Possibly doing the same thing in auto trans fluid will provide the same results. The trick seems to be getting it hot enough so it will boil the water surrounding it and then the water cooles it and the rust boils out. Heck, I know it works, I've tried it over 20 times with the same results and never had anything damaged.
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evapo rust naval jelly or kroil. You can get each in small quanties but kroil is hard to get from their site if u want some go get on ebay. But you probilly wont need much.
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Krol would be my guess and you can get it at most quality gun shops and no shipping costs but you may pay tax hehehe
the other trick if your at your wits end is muratic acid
place a few drop and try again
best of luck and I have been there to with some stuck items
thats half the fun with old iron
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Put it in a bucket of water for a week. You might be surprised. I spent 4 weeks working on a Maytag fuel drain plug with no luck. Soaked it in a bucket of water for a week and the plug came right out.

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Try this stuff. http://www.seized-engine.com/

I used it on a stuck fuel pump for a Novo engine. I practically took it apart with my fingers. I couldn't believe it. I put Kroil and B'laster on it for days with no results. I have yet to try to free up an engine with it, but so far I'm happy with it.
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interesting web site think we all give them a run for there money
well i say $20 is awortha try on my next stuck engine prodject
might just save a day of beating myself to death or growing old in age before i get it apart
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Nothing beats brakefluid and a rosebud, forget them gimmicks from the snakeoil salesman, HEAT WORKS!
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PB Blaster, heat, Kroil, heat, time, gentle tapping with a brass hammer, time, heat, and time.
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"Try this stuff. http://www.seized-engine.com/"

If I remember correctly there was a thread about this stuff not too long ago. I think it's essentially antifreeze.
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The best thing you want to use is something as thin as possible to permeate the rust. ATF is too thick. I used to use Howes because Ryder truck rental shops did and figured it was the best. Until I used Kroil and never went back. I use heat and Kroil on tough stuff and its worked wonders and a little goes a long way. The rust acts like a sponge with that stuff. PB Blaster and Liquid Wrench and WD40 are a waste of time IMHO. Another thing that has worked really well if the part is strong enough to take it is an air hammer with a large round blunt bit. The vibration shatters the rust but you have to keep the bit tight againt the part to prevent bouncing or it will hammer and mar the surface.
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I have had better luck with heat tham anything else. Heat until red and try to work it while it is hot with pliers or vise grips. Last week my friend had a part with a 1/4-20 bolt rusted in it, heated it and turned it a little with pliers while it was still red and then turned it out with a leather glove. Keep it hot.
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Default Re: Frozen stuck parts

We use kroil oil, I dont know if i would trust that seized-engine.com stuff, they want $20 for only 250ml. Atleast you can return it if it dont work.

But I will stick with Kano Kroil Oil and the good old oxy-accetaline tourch!
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i wonder if that would work, there an engine i want to get the piston is stuck and i have not seen before its like a chain piston small piston like 3'' on top and the back half is about 5'' some type of vacum engine ,you would need a big tub enginehttp://royalcrossfarm.com/electrolysis.htm
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