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Old 11-17-2008, 08:35 PM
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About 3 1/2 hours left on eBay at 30,000 bucks. I bet it will finally go for over 40,000.
I think it's a tad rich for my blood.

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Old 11-17-2008, 09:28 PM
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I think 10 day auctions are ridiculous and anyone who figures the extra 3 days is gonna get them extra $ is fooling themselves.
Anyway......I think you're dead on Eric......we'll see.......
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Old 11-17-2008, 10:41 PM
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Default Re: How high will it go? (Charter hot tube engine hit and miss)

I hope it brings $50,000 or $60,000! I first saw that engine many years ago in a photo that the current owner sent me. Actually, he sent me a photo of something else and I saw the Charter cylinder in the background. The engine was apart at that time. I've hounded him through the years about selling it and my prodding may have helped get it on ebay..... just so I can watch somebody else buy it!
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She hit $45,101
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Old 11-18-2008, 01:14 AM
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Default Re: How high will it go? (Charter hot tube engine hit and miss)

Amazing how a hunk of rusty iron can have so much pull on a guys wallet.No mater what the size of the engine or the purse.
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Old 11-18-2008, 01:23 AM
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I think 10 day auctions are ridiculous and anyone who figures the extra 3 days is gonna get them extra $ is fooling themselves.
Anyway......I think you're dead on Eric......we'll see.......
The benefit of a 10 day auction is to give the bidder enough time to come to her/his common sense about buying whatever in the first place and having time to invalidate their bid!
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Old 11-18-2008, 02:05 AM
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That IS good for the bidder......but STILL not doing the seller any good......
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Old 11-18-2008, 02:44 PM
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Any idea who won it ? Wish it was me!

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Old 11-18-2008, 04:44 PM
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Default Re: How high will it go? (Charter hot tube engine hit and miss)

That Charter looked like a really neat engine that's for sure,, I think I had the most bids on it but they were not serious enough I guess..

How could a 10 day auction not help the seller?? Craig if you have something to sell on there would you do the exact opposite and go with the 1 day listing?? I do not check ebay very often when I am not selling on there and I feel that there are also others who also check it very infrequently. The more exposure you can get time wise as a seller the better in my opinion.
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Old 11-18-2008, 05:34 PM
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I thought that it would have brought more than what it did. Any idea of what year it is?

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Old 11-18-2008, 06:46 PM
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Tommy I thought you were on your way to pick it up today.

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Old 11-18-2008, 08:37 PM
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Default Re: How high will it go? (Charter hot tube engine hit and miss)

I have been looking to purchase a piston tripped Fairbanks early standard. When the Charter became available I knew it wasn't piston tripped but close enough. Looks like an early Fairbanks to me. The engine will end up in Buhl, Idaho. It will fit in with the Fairbanks family. Thanks, Lauren
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Old 11-18-2008, 11:09 PM
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I know some of you watched the Charter on ebay sell. I was somewhat surprised by the selling price of $45101. But after thinking about it maybe that was low for that caliber of engine. My question for the group is, what does this compare to? And does anyone know where the Charter is headed to? I would hope to see it run some day.

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Old 11-19-2008, 12:13 AM
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Actually Kevin I started toward Rochester, MN yesterday. I just knew I'd win that thing! Sadly, I had to turn around and head home....

Jeff, as for date of the engine. Charter was a bit like Henry Ford, they didn't change a great deal for a number of years. The earliest Charters (1888 to about 1890) looked very similar to the one that sold on ebay. A few subtle differences. One was the earliest Charters had a machined crankshaft and the later (1892.... if you can call that late) had the forged crank. The earlier charter valve box was a machined square chunk of cast where the later had a valve box with raise areas where the studs passed through the box. Lastly was the earliest Charter didn't have a compression release on top of the cylinder and the 1894 or so model had the compression release on top of the cylinder (the big thing you see on the top of the cylinder in about the center). I think the carb (a primitive fuel injector) was the same on the very earliest models and continued for probably 10 years. Since there is such little info out there on Charters, its really hard to date them difinitively. The one Lauren purchased is certainly early. I would date it in the 1894 time frame. There are just a handfull of the single flywheel models out there. Several more of the 2 flywheelers. Here are the ones (original single flywheel models) I know of and their approx. date, HP and particulars. Please add to and correct this list:

1890? 8? HP Tommy Turner, Machined exhaust box, machined crank, no compression release

1892? 8? HP Kenny Wolf, Machined exhaust box, forged crank, no compression release.

1894? 10? HP Lauren Langdon, forged crank, compression release (nice, complete original engine)

1896? 20? HP John Rex, forged crank, compression release (a big! engine)

I've seen another one at Mt. Pleasant many years ago but don't know who the owner is.

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Default Re: Charter Engine

Maybe somebody can help me out here. I don't put any value in the tag that's on an engine, so what I see is a horizontal, tank cooled engine with one flywheel and hot tube ignition. I wouldn't pay more than maybe 1500 (AT THE MOST) for that engine. It isn't a side shaft, no neat governor or magneto setup, and nothing really stands out as "neat". What makes this so valuable? I think my 7 hp economy is cooler than that engine.
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Well for one, it's a Charter. Charter was the design that Fairbanks-Morse used for their Type N engines. If you look up the patents for the Fairbanks N engines you will see that they are mostly assigned to Charter. In addition to that, this is an EARLY engine; we're talking mid 1890s here. The single-flywheel Charters are also rarer than the dual-flywheel models. Add it all together, mix well and bake at 350 degrees for 15 minutes or until rust brown, and you have yourself a very rare and desirable engine.

You say nothing is "neat"? Take a look at that force-feed oiling system. I call that NEAT.
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Congratulations Lauren! This will be a very interesting engine to see. And I agree, it will be right at home in your lineup.
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Old 11-19-2008, 02:07 AM
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Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. You have seen my collection. I have a couple of early Economy in my collection. I like them but they are not my favorite engine. In 1894 I don't think they had invented the spark plug or the magneto. I look at the engine as a piece of early american history.
What engine was made in the USA before Charter... or before 1890?

Dirt Bike Pilot- My first engine was a vertical Maytag. I purchased it in 1970. My most recent purchase is a 1894 Charter. I sold you your first engine in 2006...an Alamo. Whats my point? As life goes on...tastes change. Happy in Idaho. Lauren
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Rember life is too short! Spend it in time and you will be happy!!!!!!
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Congratulations Lauren!

And Tommy, Thank you for the Charter information

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