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Information on a two cylinder Wisconsin


I have a lincoln 180SA welder with a 2 cylinder wisconsin Spec-50048 Size-31/4 x 31/4 Model TF...

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Old 01-13-2009, 11:28 PM
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I have a lincoln 180SA welder with a 2 cylinder wisconsin
Spec-50048
Size-31/4 x 31/4
Model TF
Serial-2215766
The mag
FM-X1 2B7
X3543596

The question being I read that the TF model came with a 31/4 x 31/2 bore and stroke @ 14 hp running around 2400 rpm and replaced in 1957 with the THD model that had the 31/4 x 31/4 bore and stroke @ 16 hp running around 3600 rpm.

I was thinking it was perhaps a later TF model but the mag places it in 1949 unless its an older mag that was swaped? or was it ordered by lincoln with that size bore and stroke?
or is my information incorrect?
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The tf and Thd have the same bore and stroke. Thd is a newer engine. Check this site out - lots of information there on Wisconsins.HTTP://bellsouthpwp.net/z/i/ziradog/tocframe.htm
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Later, the THD came along, with the same bore & stroke as the TF

TFBore & Stroke

3-1/2 X 3-1/4
14.6 @ 2600
1946
1957

THDBore & Stroke

3-1/4 X 3-1/4
16.8 @ 3600
1957
1976
2-cyl. Replaced TF for more HP. TE Obsoleted.


2033520

January 1, 1953

2232308

January 1, 1954

so its a late 1953, they must have made a mistake with the bore being 31/2
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Yes, it should be 3-1/4 X 3-1/4. I will update it as soon as I can remember where I put theh files (really).
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Hope this help
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Yes thank-you for the helpful information. I was trying to figure why they droped the TF model in lue of the THD model
I could possiblity understand perhaps dropping down in bore size to rev the motor an extra 1000 rpm to achieve 2 hp and than wondered what if they speed up the TF model an 1000 rpm to see the hp results were or rev the THD model to 2600 rpm and see what the hp out put would be. Than I wondered if the gears and ratios came into play.

but historic value tells a greater story of economics and engineering.
Later, the THD came along, with the same bore & stroke as the TF but with different bearings and different head/jug design in line with the VH4.

The TF model also shared parts with the 4 cylinder model2-Cyl. L-Head Addition VE4-VF4 Family (same blocks, pistons and rods).

VH4D 3-1/4 X 3-1/4 30.0 @ 2800 1956 4-Cyl., Even-Firing Addition to VE4D and VF4D Family.

1957 THD 3-1/4 X 3-1/4 16.8 @ 3600

kind of handy to have simular parts that interchange between models, cost effective as well.
now I wonder what change occured with the bearning design or materials in the bearnings in 1956 or 1957.

GGB has a long history of leadership in technology, which has laid the foundation for our position today as the world's largest plain bearings manufacturer.
1956 Introduced DU, the first steel-backed bearing material based on PTFE.
PTFE reduces friction, wear and energy consumption of machinery
The redesign of the head/jug design I can see to allow for the
Stellite exhaust valves, the “D” meant stellite exhaust valves
They are hard coated stainless steel exhaust valves, and I mean VERY HARD COATED (mince no words). Anyone who drives a lot of miles or runs an engine hard should want these things, as they are worth every penny of the price.

The engines are reving higher with slight increases in hp probility with more demanding loads as well, where there's load there is heat.
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