McCormick-Deering Corn Binder Knotter Help

[Bobe]

I am new to this group need help I bought a ground drive vertical binder was told was in working condition ,bought a manual . Cant get it to knot , string goes in allright I think .Makes a loop on the knotter,I think I have to sharpen the knife but the needle has a small pulley ,is that suppose to turn ? I saw from past posting their is a supplier in Pa.It has not been used for three years, but kept in a dry barn. I want to restore it and use it next fall for demonstrations on the farm. Thank you for any help Bob

[farmsc]

The little pulley in the needle does not turn on mine, either. They are rather difficult to start in the knotter until you can understand how they function. It took me a while with the operator's manual before I got mine threaded into the knotter. You have to pull the twine past the knotter and let it rest inside the slot on the knotter disk. Then cycle the machine while holding the twine taught. The disk should grab the twine at the end of the cycle and hold it. Next, grab the twine in the middle like you are a bundle of corn and cyle the knotter again. It should tie a knot leaving the loop you are holding. The bundle won't just fall off, you will have to jerk it pretty hard by hand.(when an actual bundle is in it, it will cut and fall off a lot easier.)
Good luck.
Kevin

[Craig A]

First off the bill hooks, or "fingers" , HAVE to be completely SHINEY. The twine passes through a spring loaded disc which holds tension on the twine while it is delivered, the knot made and twine cut. The cutter blade must be very sharp too.
If there are grooves worn into the eyes of the needles they need to be built up and made VERY smooth as well.
The tip of the needle, which feeds the twine to the knotter, needs to rub or nearly rub the bill hook so it can pick up the twine.
While most needles are made of cast iron there were a few formed steel ones which are nearly impossible to do anything with if they get bent......
I don't know how many broken New Holland bailer needles we welded over the the years but it would be quite a pile.......

Look what I found: http://www.haytalk.com/forums/f7/kno...justments-230/

If you read this SLOWLY you'll get the sequence of events perfectly. It's the best explanation of how a knotter works I've ever seen: http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net/showthread.php?t=11638

[Nebraska Cowman]

craig is right. Rust is your worst enemy.

[Mike Rock]

Hay, Craig, your next post will be your 6,000th.
Think Harry will give you a prize??

Mike

[Craig A]

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[Mike Rock]

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Come on Harry!!!!!

Mike )