What will become of the steamer with cap and trade?

[Lund Foundry]

ok i've been thinking of a sad subject, if our government gets what they want with cap and trade or any other idea, will the steam engine be out lawed or something?

[Sam Shublom]

I can't see that it will affect traction engines at all. The model for the cap and trade proposal is the European Union Emission Trading System in effect in the EU. As far as I have seen, it hasn't hampered any of the steam rallys I have attended in the UK. Maybe some of the Brits could confirm this. I think they have a harder time with Health and Safety than Cap and Trade.

Cap and Trade is aimed at companies both public and private that create energy ,primarily electricty, for sale. Unless you are burning coal to make electricty for sale, I can't see how the current proposal will pertain to us.

Sam

[MPierce]

It will raise the price of coal. It will raise the price of gas, transportation, everything you purchase, because there will be higher costs to make and transport everything you use and consume.
Thus, devouring more and more of your disposable income to feed the governments insatiable appetite for more of YOUR hard earned dollars, leaving you with less to go to steam shows, less to buy higher priced fuel to get there. etc, etc, etc.

Hang on to your wallet with this one. It is NOT just your electric bill like you hear so much.

MP

[David]

Even the liberal theorists are now saying that if the US adopts cap & trade and India and China don't, there will be no noticeable change in global warming.

They further say that the result for the US will be higher prices on everything across the board, and will further limit our ability to be price competitive with other nations.

The good thing is that (so far) we can still make changes every so often at the polls, and that some of these Congressional clowns on both sides of the aisle can be replaced, along with some of the ridiculous laws and policies they are trying to force down our throats.

In this part of the country, coal sized for firing a steam engine is as scarce as a 160 h.p. Keck Gonnerman. As long as there is wood available, some of us will see that steam, like the South, will rise again.

David

[HalfKeck]

I worry about some wacko environmentalist going past a steam show and seeing all the coal smoke and going nuts.

[20 Reeves Highwheeler]

Halfkeck,
I think maybe he got in his Prius somewhere back east and told his coalition he was heading to Montana to check out coal (can't use trees) smoke from steam engines. But secretly, he loaded his bull barrel .223 to join in our first ever (legal) wolf hunting season?
Gary

[MCanady]

Anybody remember them telling us that the North America Free Trade Agreement was good for us? Merton

[Craig A]

I got this from a friend in New Zealand.
It's not about emissions trading specifically but about the CONTROL of carbon emissions.
If you can't view a 3 meg PowerPoint presentation don't download it but go to their site here: http://www.climatesceptics.com.au/
This presentation illustrates what are presumed to be the facts and costs of attempting to control carbon emissions.
It's a worthwhile and eye opening read.......

Please save it: http://andersonofrosholt.com/mypics/ClimateChange.pps

[Smokin Bob]

Cap and Trade, or more accurately Cap and Tax, is something that will hit each and every one of us of very hard. Regardless of what the radicals and environmentalists try to tell us, it needs to be understood that Cap and Tax is not about global warming, energy conservation, pollution control, or the promotion of "green" energy.

It is about generating another revenue stream for our spend-happy government.

Democrats never met a tax that they didn't like, and they need to figure out ways to generate as much revenue as they can to cover the bazillions of "stimulus" money they paid out, creating massive debt and making our country weak in our trading position with China and India, whose economies are booming.

I realize this isn't the proper forum for political discussion, so I'll end with this:

If your congressman or senator supports this back-breaker, first, send them a letter, e-mail or give them a phone call to let them know how you feel. Then, VOTE THEM OUT!

End of rant.

Bob

[Thresherman]

What is so sad is the American People dont care and dont know what is going on.. if they did we would not be in this big of mess. When someone promises something for nothing there will be a long line to get their share..and dont realize that the government is spending their money..the government doesnt have any money except what is generated in tax..So I again state the people dont care as long as they can get there HBO and a six pack...

[Rick Gilder]

I agree with Smoking Bob. It is very important that we contact our Senators and Representatives and ask them to oppose Cap and Trade. If enough people call and let them know our feelings on this legislation, the more likely this bill will NOT be passed into law .

[HalfKeck]

The House already passed this, call your senators...now!

[Mark L. Jordan]

I worry about some wacko environmentalist going past a steam show and seeing all the coal smoke and going nuts.

Been there....done that.

I got hammered on while running the 13HP Gaar Scott at Lanesville, IN this past Sept. One guy got on my case, and I politely told him that what we were doing wasn't changing anything on a world scale......

Mark

[T James Ives]

Over here they have just started taxing flights over the airport tax of 14 GBPounds. The new tax will cost 144 GBP for a family of 4 flying to the States. Next year it will be 288GBP. We can buy a ticket for 100 GBP.
They admit this is nothing to do with Global warming but to pay for the rescue of the banks.

They also are encouraging electric cars. So where does the electricity come from to charge them up???
70% of our power stations are old and will shut in the next 8 years. They are now wondering whether to build some new ones that take 10 years to complete.
The year after next we will not be able to buy a filament lamp bulb. Already 100w lamps are not available. 60 watt will go next year. We have these horrible flourescent bulbs instead.

I am looking for a wood fired steam generator set.

I'm off to put another log on the stove.

Trevor

[Craig A]

Since this subject has more to do with "science"....... ......and governments than with STEAM ENGINES I'm moving this to Smoke and Flames.

[Lund Foundry]

see yeah i think and enviro mentleist will say we cant have this crud in the air and bam that the end of the steamer,

[Bill Geyer]

Well lets get the flames started then On the news today was controversy over more government control in the schools. Seems a high school drop out pays $60 thousand less taxes in his life time than a graduate. So the bottom line is taxes for government not success for the individual.
The big city county health department has been giving out flu shots to high priority people and they have been camped out on the sidewalk like vagrants. They got word that a clinic was giving shots for $20 each to any one and now the news and folks waiting at county are raising hell. You can get a shot at the clinic for $20 and an hour wait. Like was said above more and more people don't care what oppressive laws are enacted as long a the government takes care of their every need.

[Ray Forrer]

Kind of hard to pay taxes when you don't have a job! Too many people out of work because their jobs got moved overseas.
Ray

[Andrew Mackey]

On the subject of filament light bulbs; Incandescant bulbs are being phased out for the 'green' flourescent bulbs that use 'less energy'. Does anyone care that they are BAD for the environment? Bad stuff in them, like phosphorus, heavy metals like lead and mercury! Don't dare to try using one in a Direct Current application either. A guy I know tried to use one in a Kohler DC light plant display. When he turned on the power, it (the bulb) literally blew apart. Seems the ballast is not DC friendly!
Andrew

[Sky]

All seems like just one big freekin govermental grab more money scam to me.