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National Type KB 13hp oil engine


Need help on a neat little engine I picked up at Portland swap last week. I am looking for any...

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Old 05-18-2010, 09:08 PM
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Need help on a neat little engine I picked up at Portland swap last week. I am looking for any information on these English built engines. All help is greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.
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I wouldn't call a 13hp National a "little" engine. Even a 2hp National is heavy.
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Nice engine,but looks very small for 13 hp.
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I'd say that's a 2HP.
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Default Re: National Type KB 13hp oil engine

I seen Toms little 13 Hp engine,,it is alot larger than the engine in the photo,,He's just use to hauling heavy oil field engines around and everything else is small compared to them,,,,,,It is a nice engine though!,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Jim
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G'day Tom,
Have you a any photos of your National? They are a good engine and there a few in this part of the world. I don't have one but a mate of mine does, about a 4hp, and it is a lot bigger than one in the photo on my earlier post. That one is a 2hp. They are very heavy engines. National also made diesel engines in the 1930's.
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This 13 bhp Nationl that I picked up in Portland is a diesel. Pressure washed it yesterday and hope to have on skids and running before Father's day. Our engine show in Rocky Mount,Va. is that weekend. I hope to take the national and my Model 97 M/F 4wd propane tractor. Need to show those JD boys what a real tractor looks like!!
Thanks for the interest. Still would like to find some Information on this engine.
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Tom lets see some photos.
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Tom, If you can tell us more about the engine, I may be able to help. Is it a vertical or horizontal? and what info is on the tag?
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It is a Horzontal oil engine. It has twin curved spoked flywheels. It has the injector in the center of the head with a drip pan under it.I have a few more thing to do before I try to start. Most definitely need to get it on a set of skids or a nice truck.
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G,day Tom.
I am unable to tell you very much about your engine. It does look like it may have made some time after 1932 and possibly before 1935.
The original name for the company was National Gas Engine Company Limited. The name was changed to National Gas and Oil Engine Co. in 1932. In 1933 a horizontal heavy oil was introduced LB rated at 10-11 hp, that engine is different to yours but with some similarities. Possibly your engine was made at the same time, being the next model up. It does have features of earlier Nationals which could indicate being made earlier but the name of the company on the name plate makes that unlikely. I think yours should have crankcase cover making it an enclosed crankcase.
I don't know how long the small horizontal diesels were in production but in 1935 small vertical diesels were produced and later in 1945 the DSH range of vertical diesels came out.
I am not sure if they can be dated by their serial numbers, I will try and find out, I know several National owners.
The company went through a series of takeovers and eventually ended up as part of the Hawker Siddeley Group.
If I can find out more I will let you know.
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This engine does have a crank guard. I had it off trying to clean some of the gunk out of it. It would be great to hear from another National owner. I would like to know starting techniques. Mine has the starter fuse holder. It would hold a fuse about 1/2" in dia.
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Tom:
I have a 30 BHR TYPE PB, also the book for the engine both are at rollag, this will most likely be the last year it will be there. I think I have found a new home for it.
Some of my other engines may be leaving also.
I will try to bring the book home and post some of the info but it wont be till mid oct.
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I have talked to a couple of National owners. One has seven Nationals including a 30hp heavy oil engine.
It would appear that there few records, but there is enough information to give approximate dates. There was a bloke in the UK who had a National register but he died last year so I don't know what has happened to that info, it will still be somewhere. The Anson Engine Museum in England does have some info and can be contacted for more information. They have a website and it can be found easily on google.
My informant thinks your engine will be around date I suggested, he has a lot of engine numbers, but he doesn't know when the KB finished production it may have been later than 1935.
Keep us informed of your progress and if any more info turns up I will let you know.
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