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Old 10-14-2010, 11:40 PM
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OK, I am headed to the George Helmuth auction this weekend. I am planning on coming home with a Lister engine. Which one is the question??
I don't know much about them. I know engines, though, so mechanical checks I am good with. Size or model is the question I have.
It looks like he has these listed:
3-1 Lister slow speed CS80478
3-1 Lister slow speed
3-1 Lister slow speed block
6-1 Lister slow speed 3850616
6-1 Lister slow speed 33485
7.5 h.p. Lister slow speed 196VA22
9 h.p. Lister slow speed 83 FR 1R8
10-2 Lister slow speed 15083

So, which size would work for me. General backup stuff. Maybe need to run a 10k max gen head. (realistic power needed is 5k)
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Hello Steve,
Interesting lot of old Listers there. The 3-1 and 6-1 are 3 and 6 hp watercooled singles, probably too small if you reckon that on real world figures you need 2 hp to make 1 kw of continuous power.
The 7.5 hp "VA" is an aircooled variant of the CS types, not very common, but a great motor if you can load it up and keep it warm. Good for round 4 kw continuous at 850 rpm.
The 9 hp FR1 I think runs faster, 1000 to 1500 rpm I think.
Great motor,but almost no spares now.
The 10-2 will give 10 hp at 650 rpm,(or 5 kw). An alternator sized a bit bigger will give you a margin for starting bigger loads, but too big will cause drive losses and spoil economy. Good luck at the auction, Combustor.
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Old 10-15-2010, 06:34 AM
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You'll probably have some stiff bids, but the 10/2 is probably the best of the bunch, noting that the VA is an 800rpm engine against the 600/650 of the others, and the FR is 1000/1200rpm.

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Hi Steve. As far as your power demands go I would expect that the 10hp twin would give you good service on a 5kw genend. This engine has interchangeable pistons, cylinders, heads etc with the 6hp singles so top end parts are fairly easy to come by. If I were you I would take a long look at the 6hp singles with a 5kw head it would give 3000 watts all day long with the option of feeding battery bank. The 6's have great parts availability (albeit most being Indian knock offs) however there are legions of owners playing with these engines so parts/help is only a click away most of the time.The VA 7.5 hp is probably NOT the first choice for power generation as it only has 1 flywheel IIRC and no option to recover heat from the coolant. Good luck at the auction and could you please post $$ that the Listers bring, thanks, Paul.
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OK, so it sounds like the 10-2 would totally fill the bill. What is reasonable for this piece? I don't have to have it today or anything like that, so I won't go crazy.
Also, the 6 will be considered. I like the idea of battery backup with the 6hp. What do these go for? Running? Good condition.
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Wags

I will try to keep up on prices. I have the GF printing a bill so I can post it if you guy are interested.
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wags if you dont want the 10/2 IT WILL find a place under my christmas tree it doesnt need a fancy paint job or ribbon any shade of green willdo
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That is a huge auction with quite a bill of items up for grabs, kind of attracts us old iron types so it's hard to predict outcomes. Search around the web for asking prices on similar engines and you will get a feel for value, we don't discuss or speculate prices here on the open forums much Good luck and ask around for Bob Leonard at the auction. He was a friend of George and is a Lister guy and Smokstaker, he will give you straight advice and is a hell of a nice guy to boot
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The VA 7.5 hp is probably NOT the first choice for power generation as it only has 1 flywheel IIRC
Two flywheels on the VA.

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Two flywheels on the VA.

Peter
Thanks, I didn't realize the fan side had bulk to it Oh and rereading my earlier post I would belt a larger gen to a 10 hp than 5k, that would be your 10 k gen for that as it would power more than 5k and then you would have problems...
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WOW!
People went there with the intent of spending money like it had no value.
I gueess the bird in the had thing but foolish is foolish.
The 10-2 went for 4g.
So... I want a 10-2. Anyone know where there is one?
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Thanks for the comment Paul, It was so nice to meet many Lister engine pen pals and forum friends that gathered at the sale. The only twin, the 10-2 selling for $4K was sure an eye opener and took many by surprise! Others were writing down prices and will have to share them. The first Lister single sold for around 650 and we all thought that they would go low. That was the end of it. I think the rest went between 1200 and 1800.

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Here are a few of the prices at the Helmuth auction Saturday. IH Famous 4HP-$6,500, New Holland dual fuel 5HP- $10,000, Lister CS 3-1 with radiator-$650, Olds Seager 3HP does not run-$4250, Lister VA air-cooled- $1750, Superior 35HP dissassembled $1700, Lister FR 9HP- $550, Lister CS 3-1 no radiator-$1700, Domestic 2HP runs -$5000, Lister VA Basket case-$600, Lister CS 6-1 with radiator- $1300, Lister CS 10-2 complete-$4000, This next one blew me away- John Deere 6HP runs- $,7700, and Lister 16-2 block -$20. Lots of new unused Lister wrenches. Set of 6 was $10-$20. TJ

I forgot to mention that there were about 1,300 bidders registered. TJ
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Default Re: Lister engine for generator?

Wags:

You might want to look at the Listeroids which are the India knockoff Listers.

Here's the URL for one supplier:

http://www.utterpower.com/listeroi.htm

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What are the advantages/ disadvantages of the knock offs?
There is a knock off on ebay that was built by "old lister" he has buy it now of 4200 but he knows nothing about it. I called him today. Doesn't know hp for sure, or anything.
BUT, it is supposed to be fresh. So, maybe a decent price for a "new" clone?
It is red. Can't miss it.
I have been a brand name guy mostly.
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Wags:

The only thing I'd warn you about with the knockoff Listeroids is that you really should do a teardown BEFORE running them.

This is because I've read that they're not very clean inside and may have a lot of casting sand and shop grit in them.

Other minor tweaks may have to be made to get them to spec. Having said that, if I needed a Lister for a generator, etc. that was going to be put to work, I wouldn't hesitate to buy a Listeroid.

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Wags, There is a fellow up the road from you that has a Lister clone in the Dupo, Ill. area. If you are interested I might be able to locate him thru his friend. TJ
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Wags, There is a fellow up the road from you that has a Lister clone in the Dupo, Ill. area. If you are interested I might be able to locate him thru his friend. TJ
Sure. Is it for sale... or just one to look at?
I'd really appreciate it.
I hate to buy a clone, then have to go through it. If it is just pull the head, inspect, no big deal. If I am going through the trouble to do a complete teardown and remachine and assemble, I's just as soon buy an old piece and repair it.
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Wags:

As I understand it, the procedure with the Listeroids is simply a cleanout, inspection and possibly a tweak of adjustments.

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As I understand it, the procedure with the Listeroids is simply a cleanout, inspection and possibly a tweak of adjustments.

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Gotcha. That is not to bad then. I just did not want to tear it down to bolts only, and have to machine everything. I am so picky, I will probably redo valve job, seats, etc if I go that route.
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Steve the needed proceedures to deal with Listeroid problems will vary engine to engine. Some may even be OK as is, mine happened to be not OK but not as bad as some you read about. Luckily the only tesy parts are the gib keys in the flywheels. Given a key puller is on hand the entire engine can be laid out on the floor in an hour, less than that with air tools. For a work engine I would not trust a thing to be right and take it down all the way. By the way the valves and seats in mine were spot on as delivered.
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