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Detroit Diesel 3-53 Naturally Aspirated - Easy overhaul?


If I set out to overhaul a 3-53, how complicated is it if I buy a proper kit? Does it require...

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Old 12-26-2010, 04:12 PM
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Question Detroit Diesel 3-53 Naturally Aspirated - Easy overhaul?

If I set out to overhaul a 3-53, how complicated is it if I buy a proper kit?

Does it require cylinder boring, any precise grinding, etc?

Os is that just a "take apart and swap parts" type of operation?

Any special tools needed?

Any idea of the hours involved?

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Old 12-26-2010, 05:25 PM
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Default Re: 3-53 Naturally aspirated diesel overhaul. Easily doable?

It is not that hard to do just got to make sure you get the wrist pin seals put in RIGHT with no leaks.If they leak the engine can run away. You also need to watch how you put your oil control rings on.Have you tried to start the engine yet.Make sure the injectors are free and the rack moves.I would make sure it turns over 360 degrees change the fuel filters.Try to get it running it will let you now if you you need injectors or any oil leaks you need to fix.If it runs ok I would drop the oil pan and check the rod and main bearings and replace them if necessary. good luck.
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Default Re: 3-53 Naturally aspirated diesel overhaul. Easily doable?

You do not need many special tools other than a liner installer, liner puller, and a ring compressor.
The only way to remove the liners is to bang them out from the bottom, or use the designed puller.
Installation requires the use of special liner gaskets. The liners need to be driven into the block properly or else you will have leaks. The pistons have to be installed from the bottom of the engine. If you install the pistons from the top you will snap off the oil control rings on the liner openings.
The best way to rebuild a Detroit Diesel is to install the connecting rod and piston with rings into the liners outside of the engine. As an entire assembly, drive the liners (with the pistons inside) into the block. This is the best way to do it. If you try doing it with the liners installed in the block, you will need to remove the crankshaft.
The crankshaft on my 6V53 was about 145lbs. It will be nearly as heavy for your inline 3-53. Make sure that you have a second set of hands to help in terms of installing it.

You will need at least 12 tubes of permatex #2A, threadlocker blue, and international compound handy when rebuilding the engine. If you do not slobber permatex on every gasket you will have leaks.
Always consult your manual, and you will not run into too much trouble.

In terms of tools, some good half inch sockets, ratchet and a torque wrench is necessary. You will need a torque wrench rated for at least 250lb/ft, as the head bolts are 180lb/ft.
You will need a special torque wrench for the camshaft nuts, as they are torqued to 330lb/ft

A clean engine helps with a rebuild, so be sure you clean all of your parts with diesel fuel and safety kleen before installation. Saran Wrap works great at keeping dirt out of clean parts.

A block cleaning should be done when the liners are removed.
I used a load of conical wire brushes, (they can be bought at any plumbing store), a 3000psi power washer, soap, a screwdriver and some diesel fuel.

The only part on my engine I did not rebuild were the heads. I had the specialists at Leid Diesel install new valve seats, guides, springs and valves. It takes a lot of special tools to install the head pieces, let alone lap them and pressure test them.

An engine rebuild takes time, patience and lots of space. If you dont have that, be ready to hand over some big bucks to an engine rebuilder.

Chris

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One word of encouragement. I rebuilt my entire 6V53T at the age of 20. My rebuild took about 10 months to complete, but that is only because I go away to college for 6 of those 10 months.

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Default Re: 3-53 Naturally aspirated diesel overhaul. Easily doable?

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An engine rebuild takes time, patience and lots of space. If you dont have that, be ready to hand over some big bucks to an engine rebuilder.

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Chris, how much would a typical decent rebuilder charge me? Just trying to assess my options. Thanks a lot

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Forgot to say, I do not have the time and space. I have patience, but I try to pick my battles.
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Default Re: Detroit Diesel 3-53 Naturally Aspirated - Easy overhaul?

It is hard to tell without knowing the condition of every part.
I have just shy of $6000 into my 6V53T.
You have basically half of the moving parts (connecting rods, pistons, rings, liners, wrist pins, etc)
so probably $2000-2500 would be fitting. Alot of the cost can come from labor. I suspect probably $1200 worth of labor for an engine rebuild

I replaced just about everything other than the block, blower and oil pump. Replacement crankcase gears, camshafts, heads, oil coolers were expensive.

Give the guys at Leid Diesel a call and they will be more than happy to give you a price for either a rebuild on your engine or a rebuilt exchange.

Chris

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Default Re: Detroit Diesel 3-53 Naturally Aspirated - Easy overhaul?

Hi

If you can give me more information I would be able to give you a better idea of cost.

What is wrong with your engine?

The only special tool you need to do the job would be the timing tool for the injectors. Every thing else can commonly be found in a good toolbox used by a truck mechanic.

I use to do “in frame” overhaul’s in about 1 week. As stated before I didn’t do heads I always sent them out. If you have extensive lower end problems then it gets very expensive and will require more time.

An “in frame” overhaul consists of changing the piston & sleeves and rod and main barring inserts. The rods should be checked by a qualified machine shop for big end size and roundness as well as twist and bend. The heads should be repaired by a qualified machine shop.

I would not try to perform this repair with out having a complete OEM engine repair manual in your position.

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Default Re: Detroit Diesel 3-53 Naturally Aspirated - Easy overhaul?

I have the service manual for this engine. If you give me your e-mail addy, i will forward it to you. It's in pdf and quite a large file.

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I got this engine to run. The only thing wrong was a stuck injector.

http://igor.chudov.com/projects/Detr...3/04-Repaired/

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Default Re: Detroit Diesel 3-53 Naturally Aspirated - Easy overhaul?

DLeach,

Does your manual cover 6V53?

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Default Re: Detroit Diesel 3-53 Naturally Aspirated - Easy overhaul?

Hi

The GM manual covers all v 53 series engines.

I have an original that I cant seem to give away.

Also I have never had to “drive” the sleeves in. They are not a press fit. They have “o” rings on them and can be pushed in place with your hands.

One tool item I forgot. A straight edge like the machine shops have for checking heads for warp. The sleeves use a copper shim under the top lip to make them all the same height. You will want to assemble the sleeves in their holes without “o” rings and pistons to get the correct shims under them and use the straight edge and a feeler gage to get them all the same height so you get a good head gasket seal.


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Default Re: Detroit Diesel 3-53 Naturally Aspirated - Easy overhaul?

It is a doable job; China even makes replacement parts, if you are not going to use it every day.
A diesel engine stand would be nice, but I did two in frames, and the liners came right out and went right back in, The Detroit manual is KEY. In addition, be safe they can run away, just check and double check.
Let us know if you are doing it. In addition, it might not need a complete rebuild. Maybe just valves seals and blower seals.
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Default Re: Detroit Diesel 3-53 Naturally Aspirated - Easy overhaul?

I have a 2-53 its in pieces does the information you gave for the 3-53 the same as my rebuild??

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I have a 2-53 its in pieces does the information you gave for the 3-53 the same as my rebuild??

thanks bob
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The 2-53 is a very rare engine. The only ones I have ever seen were in the John Deere tractor.

I would go online and see if you can find a John Deere 435 major repair manual. That will have all the information you need.

If it is all apart you should be able to obtained the specifications for the rods, sleeves and piston for any of the no turbo charged 53 series engines and compare the measurements to see if standard 53 parts will work.

Too bad you are so far away my partner and I would be very interested in helping you put that engine back together.

Here is an example of some of the stuff in my partners shop.




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Default Re: Detroit Diesel 3-53 Naturally Aspirated - Easy overhaul?

Hi Bob, The 2-53 is the same engine as a 3-53, just one less cylinder. 2-53's were only available with a two valve head. I have seen them used on irrigation pumps, generators, tractors, hydraulic power units, and a friend of mine even put one in a pickup truck! The John Deere 2-53's are somewhat unique in that they do not have an oil cooler, and have a different flywheel housing and starter position (starter above the rear PTO shaft) You arent too far from me, or Leid Diesel, in Newville, PA, where I purchase all of my 2 cycle parts. They have every part you need so that you can rebuild it at home, or you can have them rebuild it, or have it exchanged for a running/rebuilt engine. If you plan to rebuild the engine yourself, a Series 53 service manual is a NECESSITY

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