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Old 03-12-2011, 09:02:04 AM
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Hey guys

I'm a Norwegian marine engineering student - that is, studying to become a ship's engineer, not a naval architect.

Since I am a student of modest means, and given that I live in the suburbs for the time being, I have neither money nor space for engines, old or new, at present.

I do however have an interest in engines, especially diesel engines, marine propulsion engines, and generators. The more peculiar the design is, the more interested I am.

My current, attainable dream engine is the Rootes TS3 opposed-piston, single crankshaft two-stroke diesel engine. Either that, or build a replica of one.

Engines like the Nordberg radial diesel, Doxford crosshead opposed-piston, and good old medium-speed two-stroke diesels like the Nordbergs, EMDs, Detroits and Wichmanns also interest me. Of course, they're all too large, expensive, and/or rare for someone to actually own.

I've also gotten an interest in current lean-burn industrial gas engines, as they are a rising trend in ship newbuilds here in Norway, due to environmental concerns and a new tax on NOx-emissions. For once I have to credit them with doing something mildly productive instead of just taxing, they've created a fund where the NOx tax goes: http://www.nho.no/nox/english and any equipment or action a shipowner takes to reduce NOx then leads to tax refunds from this fund. Lean-burn gas engines being one of these eligible items, due to their low emissions.

Of course, those are not 'old' engines, but I've nevertheless gotten in touch with Gunny here who works with Jenbacher engines in his daily work and gotten a lot of great info from him! (speaking of which, your inbox is full )
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My current, attainable dream engine is the Rootes TS3 opposed-piston, single crankshaft two-stroke diesel engine. Either that, or build a replica of one.
Greetings! What vintage is this design? Sounds interesting.
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Old 03-12-2011, 11:36:42 AM
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Interesting is this engine's middle name! With its fulcrum levers/piston rockers exchanging outward motion to inward motion into a shared crankshaft, it is almost unique.

http://commer.org.nz/Commer_Connections/Motors.html
http://www.sa.hillman.org.au/TS3.htm
http://www.oldengine.org/members/die...3/techdata.htm
A nice video showing a cutaway version being turned by a motor: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-OqYFB4ofY

And now some videos letting you hear the absolutely brilliant sound it makes when running on its own!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfKmkitnqQY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2U475ab3f8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbaUi4A3ZVQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrAoj5Cuu68

Sulzer made an engine series called ZG9 that is almost identical in concept, and a couple of French engines are also similar, but that is the extent of it.

Most opposed-piston engines use a decidedly less elegant system whereby they either have two crankshafts that are geared together, like Junkers Jumo and Fairbanks-Morse OP engines, or one where thin and delicate-looking double piston rods transfer power from top to bottom, like the Doxford engines.
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Old 03-12-2011, 12:11:05 PM
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Welcome aboard Norjalainen!

Here's a thread with pic's of my marine engine:

http://www.smokstak.com/forum/showth...ght=kahlenberg

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Wow, that is a fantastic looking old diesel!

It is a two-stroke, right? I can't rightly tell for sure with all the pipes and levers going everywhere, you never know where they hide the valves and valve gear on the old ones.
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Welcome aboard.

Kind of curious how well those 'lean burn' industrial ship engines work.

Chrysler tried that for a while in the 1970s, and a couple local farmers had pickup trucks with that set up in them. Dad rebuilt the carbs for them, drilled out the jets and bypassed some of the other garbage on them and they got almost half as much better gas milage running richer than they did with the lean burn set up. Better milage means you're using less fuel which should also be creating less emissions.

They were running so lean from the factory that you had you have your foot in the throttle all the time which hurt the milage.
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Hi from Belgium

I have a TS3 that is in fairly good shape although it is missing the blower. Easier to start with than building a replica!

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I have a TS3 that is in fairly good shape although it is missing the blower. Easier to start with than building a replica!

Best regards
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For sale?

How much? You'd have to ship it too, don't know the cost of shipping for a big iron lump but probably quite bad. As much as I'd love a road trip to Belgium (done it before!!) I can't, as I am a full time student. I'm gonna have to check around to see if I have space for it anywhere, and I'll get back to you!

OTTO-Sawyer, industrial lean-burn engines use multi-port gas admission for the 'main' air/gas cylinder mixture, and a prechamber with a spark plug inside it. The prechamber is similar in concept to the prechamber of old indirect injection diesels, looking like a diesel fuel valve with too big holes/nozzles.

What happens is that as the lean air/gas mix is compressed, some of it gets compressed into the small prechamber. Due to the design, the mixture is rich inside the prechamber. At or near TDC, the spark plug ignites the rich mixture inside the prechamber. The flame front moves to the prechamber nozzles and shoots out flames which easily ignite the lean mixture in the cylinder.

I have no idea how well it works personally, but since it's been the standard for all large gas engines since the 80s it can't be all that bad.
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Welcome, If you haven't been to this site it is pretty interesting since you mentioned an interest in Doxford.
http://www.shipsnostalgia.com/guides...turing_Process
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Welcome, If you haven't been to this site it is pretty interesting since you mentioned an interest in Doxford.
http://www.shipsnostalgia.com/guides...turing_Process
I have seen this, but thanks anyway!
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My name is Gene,and I worked my career in a power plant we had a Nordberg 2stoke duel fuel and A Nordberg V16 miller cycle duel fuel To give you a heads up on technology go to U of Wis. [USA].Look up Dr Rolf Reitz [engine engineering dept] Think you will find it fasinateing!!!!
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Wow, a university with an Engine Research Center!

And presentations available as .pdfs to boot..

Thanks for the heads-up! I'm kinda building up a personal archive of papers, articles, books, photos and drawings relating to engine technology and history.
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