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Horse drawn steam powered fire engines


I received a call from an estate appraiser last night requesting my opinion of the value of a horse...

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Old 06-01-2011, 07:57 AM
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I received a call from an estate appraiser last night requesting my opinion of the value of a horse drawn steam powered fire pumper. I have absolutly no clue and could not help them as I have never seen one sold or heard the value of one mentioned. Perhaps some Smok Stak followers could share some input on this subject. I do not have any information on the manufacturer other than I think it is English made.
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Old 06-01-2011, 09:15 AM
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Default Re: Horse drawn steam powered fire engines

I saw two horse drawn steam powered fire engines go from a private individual's auction about 6 years ago in Michigan. The auction was well advertised and internationally attended. One engine was sold over the phone. Can't remember how the second one was sold.

Both engines, cosmetically, needed a solid weekend of clean up & polishing of the bright work, and repainting of the wheels to make museum ready. Not sure mechanically or steam-ability though, but had been stored inside all their lives.

Both engines were complete down to the lanterns and wrenches in the tool box. One even had runners to convert for winter time operation.

The first engine, the smaller and lesser ornate, sold for $85,000. The second engine, more ornate, and including the runners for winter time operation, sold for around $138,000. Blew me away. I had no idea what these would go for.

It was unfortunate at the auction. The second engine came from a small villiage in Michigan's upper penninsula. The local fire fighters learned of the up coming auction. They had held many fun raising events and secured corporate sponsors to help buy the engine back. In the end, they lost out to a collector out West. The team there melted down. It was a sad picture. Luckily though, it came back on the market and was able to be purchased back by the villiage, and is now proudly displayed in their little museum.

Search around on Youtube. There are several videos out there with fire companies operating their steam pumpers. Pretty cool.

Hope this helps.

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Default Re: Horse drawn steam powered fire engines

Interesting question in that I just ran across a web site of someone who restores all types of fire fighting equipment as a profession. The company is located in Maine and is called Firefly Restorations. Here is a link to their web site:
http://www.fireflyrestoration.com/
I would imagine they could give you a realistic $ amount for todays market. But it will all boil down to what someone is willing to pay for the engine.

When I was looking at Firefly's web site, I believe they restore the American LaFrance steam fire engine that is sitting in the American LaFrance Museum at North Charleston, SC. that I have pictures of. Good luck, Larry
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I thought I would add a very poor photo of the unit. perhaps some one can identify the manufacturer. The wording on the photo says Aberdeen Scotland #5 fire bridade.
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Default Re: Horse drawn steam powered fire engines

Probably Merryweather of London, possibly Shand, Mason (also of London).

Many of these makers' engines have survived, and they're well worth close study. Elegantly designed and beautifully made.
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I thought I would add a very poor photo of the unit. perhaps some one can identify the manufacturer. The wording on the photo says Aberdeen Scotland #5 fire bridade.
Either Merryweather & Sons or Shand Mason; if the underside of the box in front is curved; I am nearly certain it is Shand Mason.

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Default Re: Horse drawn steam powered fire engines

Hi Guys,
Shand Mason was taken over by Merryweather about 1900, but don't quote me on the date. Following this any Shand Mason engines sent in for repair/overhaul were re-badged Merryweather.
Interesting machines, provided you have plenty of water to play with.
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Default Re: Horse drawn steam powered fire engines

Jerry, this appears to be a Merryweather. If you could get any more details of the engine, such as a works number or build date it would be much appreciated.

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If the oppertunity presents its self, I will try to get more info. I have not looked at the machine for 30+ years. Thanks for your response.
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I thought I would add a very poor photo of the unit. perhaps some one can identify the manufacturer. The wording on the photo says Aberdeen Scotland #5 fire bridade.
I have received word from the family that this Merryweather Gem steam pump # 1728 will be sold at public sale on 11/26/11. If I can figure out how I will post in the action section for additional info.
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Default Re: Horse drawn steam powered fire engines

Hello Jerry,

As the public sale is already past.... do You kwow wat the price was?
I own the same Merryweather GEM but didn't found a serialnumber on it.
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It sold for $27,000. It went to southern Maryland.
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