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I am going to use this thread to keep everyone informed about the progress of my 1914 Case 40 HP Road Roller/Traction engine.

Today I had the chance (Finally!) to start cleaning off the engine. I ran a few lengths of hose down to the engine to clean off all the dirt that it gathered on its trip up to my house. I took out all the hand holes and ran water through the boiler. It sure is dirty in there! How do you all get your boilers cleaned out so well? There is so much scale and other stuff that is everywhere! It doesn't come out with the water either, it just sits at the bottom of the mud ring.

I will have to get some more hand-hole gaskets, unless, is it possible to reuse the old ones if there is no damage to them?

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Have you used a pressure washer that works or if you can make your self a little rake (small piece of steel and a small rod) that works to clean out the bottom of the boiler. Hope this helps.

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I will have to get some more hand-hole gaskets, unless, is it possible to reuse the old ones if there is no damage to them?
I would recommend new ones!

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Use your hose and try to chase all the scale toward one hand hole/corner, then keep the water running pushing the debris that way and reach in the hand hole where all the scale is collecting and start pulling it out by hand. You'll probably get buckets full of crud out before you're done. A pressure washer works okay to break the scale off the boiler plate, but you really need high volume to wash the crud out the holes. A fire hose would be real nice!

I'd recommend "Topog-e" gaskets, but other folks like to cut their own out of sheet rubber.
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I spent the weekend cleaning out the boiler and got most all of the scale and other crud out of it. I think I am ready to put the hand holes back on.

I also cleaned off the platform and fuel bunkers. There was lots of buildup in those bunkers. I scraped a bucket full of crud from the floor! There was also old wood that had been sitting and rotting in the right bunker and in the left bunker some coal and other trash.

It looks a lot better now that I have washed the engine off and gotten that platform cleaned.

I sure am looking forward to firing the engine!

Happy Steaming!
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Here are some more pictures.

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I am trying to find out what the valve on the right is in this picture. I know that the one on the left is the pop-off valve, but what is the other one used for? Is it a manual safety valve?

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I am trying to find out what the valve on the right is in this picture.

It is just another safety valve. It's possible that it is the original safety valve, and since it could not be set and sealed, the boiler inspector had the previous owner install a modern safety valve.

I expect the new safety valve is set at a pressure just under that of the old valve.

Both your old and new safety valves can be operated manually.

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"I expect the new safety valve is set at a pressure just under that of the old valve."

Why would it not be the opposite so the old valve is lower and utilized all of the time? That is the way I have seen it done on many engines.

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Why would it not be the opposite so the old valve is lower and utilized all of the time?
I've seen it done both ways. And, I've known instances where inspectors don't want any non-code safety valve on an engine, even as a back-up.

In the end, I suppose it is up to the discretion of your state boiler inspector.

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Andrew, In your post number 5 you state that you have "most" of the crud and junk cleaned. Rule number 1 in my book, until you have clean running water running out of all the hand-holes you still have work to do! Get the front end of your boiler up higher than the rear, start at the fill plug and wash down the top of the tubes the best you can, then move to the smoke box and continue to wash. After you have those two complete go to the rear of the boiler and wash down the top of the crown sheet/or boiler top and then if necessary make a little, flexible, copper tube and wash off the top of the firebox door. Now move on down to the bottom four handholes and continue to wash until the water is running clean, still crud? Start over.

Someone suggested to me one time to get the fire dept to come out and flush out the boiler, well in small town Denton Nebr. you may be able to get that done, that would be great. Otherwise keep having fun with the garden hose.

PS, don't forget to wash out each flue just before winter along with the above. Have fun!
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It sure is dirty in there! How do you all get your boilers cleaned out so well? There is so much scale and other stuff that is everywhere! It doesn't come out with the water either, it just sits at the bottom of the mud ring.
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Andrew, lots of good advice has been posted, and I agree with all of it. In addition:

If you have ( not really If, most certainly you have ) scale that is stuck on to the boiler plate and tubes, and especially where you cannot see or reach to clean,

Scale holds moisture, oxygen and concentrated salts in contact with boiler metal, even when the boiler appears ' dry '.
Get rid of the scale and you get rid of the leading causes of corrosion.

Plain neutral pH 7 water is like steaming with acid in your boiler.
Boilers need to have a Basic pH of around 10 on the 1 to 14 scale to have maximum life and be resistant to corrosion.

Too much Alkali in boiler water can cause Caustic stress corrosion cracking. Even good old fashioned Soda Ash and Corn starch from the 1890's can cause Too Much of a Good Thing.
If using Alkali, a " P " Alkalinity test should be performed daily, along with a bottom blowdown. This keeps alkalinity under control and blows out the soft sediment from treatment before it bakes on as scale.

A modern water treatment will not use Alkali, it uses Amines, which cannot go Caustic ( too high in pH ). It is self regulating and automatic. No testing is needed. It cleans your boiler by simple steaming and circulation of the treated water as it protects your boiler from further scaling and corrosion. It also reduces foaming and wet steam. Regular use maintains a protective chemical film on the boiler metal, even when the boiler is dry.
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The one thing I dont agree with is the washing of the inside of the flues.If the flues have soot in them when you use water it turns into mud inside the flu.And doesnt dry out.I would first run the flue cleaner thru and then use air pressure to blow the loose soot out of the flue.I had that happen to me on a engine that I was running for someone else.I asked the guy did you clean the flues before you put the engine away and he said he did.But we were having a problem getting any steam.So I asked him again and he said he used the water hose.Get the flue cleaner and you couldnt believe the mud in the flues.So I keep the flues dry.
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I agree, if you feel compelled that you have to use anything "wet" on the flues let it be an oil-soaked rag, NOT water. Also, if you use oil, don't use used motor oil, as it contains acids in it that will harm your tubes, not help!

I had several inches of scale in the mud legs and bottom of the barrel in my Case when I bought it, you can read about how I cleaned it out here, complete with another "Boiler Saver Infomercial":

http://www.smokstak.com/forum/showthread.php?t=35702

Truth be told, am thinking of getting some water treatment myself for my Huber, as I've washed BUCKETS of scale out of it, and the previous owners washed buckets out of it too....and it's still steaming pretty hard!

I too would second new hand-hole gaskets. Compared to the cost of a steamer, they're pretty darn negligible. Blowing a hand-hole gasket out is not something you really want to do on your first steaming....lot of unnecessary stress on a new engineer! I would STRONGLY suggest for a first time steaming, (and for many times afterwards, until you get REAL comfortable in what you're doing) that you get a seasoned, knowledgable engineer in to help you and instruct you on what to do and look over your shoulder and give you a hand in case anything goes wrong. I remember an early steaming when I had a check valve stick open on an injector line going into my boiler-I turned off the injector and it just kept spraying steam out onto the ground. I was about panicing until it occurred to me what was going on, and was able to shut off the angle valve and stop the steam spraying out. I didn't have any engineer around to help me, nor anyone else around in case something went wrong. Don't do this!

After you get comfortable in running your engine, I still recommend getting someone in, doesn't have to be an engineer though, to be around when you're steaming, just in case something goes wrong and you either need help, or to call in some help. Just makes good sense!

Another thing you may or may not have thought of, I know you're going to be itching like crazy to steam up your new engine at the first opportunity, but it's a good idea to pull the piping loose and examine the first nipples that go into the boiler. I did this last year on my Huber, at the insistence of the state inspector, and an older seasoned operator, and found that what was there was pretty dog-gone threadbare and needed replacing. If you're fired up with a blazing hot fire and a really thinned out nipple going right into the boiler breaks, you've suddenly got a big source of steam and hot water spraying out everywhere and no way to contain it, and nothing to do but drag the fire out or smother it. (If the nipple should break on the backhead of the boiler, you're screwed!)

Have seen a plug come out of the bottom of a water-bottom boiler, and it didn't take but about five minutes to empty the boiler of water COMPLETELY. The owner/operator was able to drag the fire out of the firebox and get the heat off the crownsheet before it could do any damage to the boiler...but it was exciting! Trust me, you DON'T want THAT.

Steam can be downright DANGEROUS if not handled properly. Am not trying to scare you or discourage you-but like an old timer told me one time, "Enjoy the ride, but ride safe!" He wasn't talking about steam engines, though......

I know how you're probably feeling-I was 21 yrs old once and just bought my first steam engine, and couldn't wait to steam it up! Enjoy the engine-as they sure are enjoyable to run-but play it safe, and it's even more enjoyable. Get hurt, and it loses the enjoyment!

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Take a look at your garden hose spigot at your house. I have city water, and noticed one day that if I had the front yard hose running full, then opened the back yard hose full, there was no drop in flow at the front yard.

Standard garden hose spigots, although 3/4" pipe, have in fact a small hole where the actual shut-off is.

A trip to Lowes found a full flow 3/4" ball valve with male garden hose threads on one end. I replaced my old valve with this one (and had to replace an inside valve as well for the same reason). Verify all valves all the way back to your water source. I can now open the valve fully and shoot a raw stream of water out of my hose, pointed at 45 degrees to the sky, about 10-12' across the lawn!

Makes flushing my boiler each season much easier.

Notice we use the word "flushing" frequently in these threads? Just like a toilet, you need a lot of water to accomplish this.

Oh...and......when I brought my engine home after setting idle for 45+ years, in a couple hour's time, I flushed out 3 5-gallon buckets of scale out of my boiler, so your's isn't any different.

Keep asking questions ! Lots of answers on this site to be had !

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Hello everyone!

It has been a while since I have posted on the 1914 Case 40 HP Steam engine.

Here is what has happened so far.

I had some knowledgeable Steam guys that I know through the Camp Creek Threshers Club come out and look over the steam engine to tell me what I needed to do before I could fire it up. They told me that the Water Jacket needed to come off and the piping needed to be replaced as it was old galvanized Schedule 40. Once I get all the water jacket and pipes off we will plug all the holes on the boiler and do a hydrostatic test to check for leaks. Once that is done I will put all new piping on.

Being a student in College, I have been busy with classes and work and hadn't been able to do any work on the engine until today! Boy it sure was fun! I started to take off the Jacket and the piping. I still have more to do, but I am enjoying every minute of it.

Here are some pictures of today progress.

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Here are some more pictures!

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Today I spent the day working on the 1914 Case Steam Engine. I was able to get the rest of the Boiler Jacket off, as well as the wood underneath. I have removed most of the old plumbing so I can put new on when the time comes. The boiler looks to be in good shape form what I can see on the outside after taking off the jacket. All the wood that came off was still in great shape, there weren't any that were rotten. I love being able to see the entire boiler, all those rivet's look so cool, and there all in pretty good shape too.

I want to paint the engine and was wondering what others have done to remove the old paint and grease from everything. I was thinking that spraying cans of oven cleaner on the engine might work, or even just pressure washing it to clean off the majority of buildup. What do you think?

When the time comes to paint the engine, what color should the different parts be?

What kind of paint does one use on the boiler? I imagine something that is heat tolerant, so it won't burn off. Also what are the paints to use on the rest of the engine?


Thanks for the help everyone!
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Some more pictures from today. A few side shots as well as some pipe and valves.

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Andrew,

Nice progress. Have you reviewed this thread on Case Steam Rollers? http://www.smokstak.com/forum/showthread.php?t=22130

After you have run an engine with a jacket...you'll always want one! They retain the heat, keep the engine clean, and look pretty!

Keep posting photos!

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Andrew,
For that thick, baked on grease & oil, oven cleaner, pardon the pun, just ain't gonna cut it! For the really thick, baked on stuff if you heat it up (with a torch) it'll harden up and you can scrape it off relatively easy, or brush off with a wire brush. For a "poor man's approach" (when I didn't have access to a torch) I soaked some rags in kerosene and set 'em on fire on the thick grease, and got the same results. The best thing I've found, besides that, for the real thick stuff is an angle grinder with a cup brush to clean up castings, boiler, etc. I really DON'T reccomend a sandblaster unless you do small parts with in a blasting cabinet, or take the engine down to the last nut and bolt. Too many nooks and crannies for sand to get in!

As far as paint colors, Rustoleum Dark Hunter Green is a pretty good match for the green. The engine proper should be green, as well as the preheater, and the upper cannon bearing. The wheels, gearing, lower cannon (and some of the links) and front axle should be red. Boiler is black. I've yet to find anything for the smokebox that you don't have to repaint once a year. For more detailed paint specs as to what goes where, I'm sure some of the Case folks can tell you more.

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-Beth, I saw that post last night and read through all of them. That post sure is full of a lot of great information.

-Mike, thanks for the great info! You wouldn't by chance have any pictures of an engine painted up like like that would ya? Do you think that the oven cleaner will take off most of the old flaking paint?


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Here are some more pictures of the wood from the jacket as well as the underside of the boiler!

Enjoy!

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Here are a few more! The pipes underneath the water heater and just to the right of it were a pain to get out, but I did get them removed. In the third picture you can see that the end piece on the water heater is broken. Does anyone know where I can get another?


Thanks!

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Some shots from the sides. A shot of the steam dome, you can see two holes where I took pipe out of. The last shot you can see that I was able to remove the two pipes.

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Heres the last of the photos from today. I just love the look of that boiler and all those rivets exposed!

Enjoy!

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Once you get done with the torch and oven cleaner (beware of the fumes!), use Dawn dishwashing liquid soap. It scrubs the residue away.

I used it to scrub my boiler before putting the jacket back on. Here's the thread the Port Huron Jacket Project: http://www.smokstak.com/forum/showthread.php?t=38146

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The outside of that boiler looks great. If the inside is as good as that you have got a great boiler. I heard of people being afraid of a boiler that has had a jacket on it,that sure shows how well it keeps it.Nice.
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-Beth, that boiler jacket looks great on your engine! When I do put my jacket back on i will have to employ you to do it for me as yours turned out so well!

-Jason, I have been told by others that have run my engine in the past that the boiler is in good shape, and I was told that by the inspector when I talked to him before I purchased the engine. I do think that the jacket did help keep the boiler in good condition.

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Nothing does a heart good like a fine engine caught in the nick of time by a young, enthusiastic new owner....

Can you tell us something of how long the engine sat since last fired or inspected? That the inspector knows the engine and believes the boiler to be sound is a huge plus. You might consider replacing all the valves while you are at it. Costly now, but you will never regret it, compared to fighting worn out units.

Do you have some basic Traction Engine text books? "Steam Engine Guide" by Professor Rose is still my favorite...
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I don't think I would've taken off the jacket. In doing so though you now have proof of the condition of the boiler on the outside. I hope that you put the jacket back on. I'm always amazed how long the roller holds steam when there's nothing left in the firebox. I think that the combination of a canopy and jacket has a lot to do with preserving the boiler shell. I've seen first hand that a jacket will hold moisture if it's not covered. As none of this wood was even rotten it's obviously been stored under roof. Amazing shape! Paint color and quality ... I would say that these are all over the map. Getting the exact shade, painting the bunkers with a hint of green, getting the correct decals, etc all depends on how much research and time you want to spend. Some paint lasts longer than others on the boiler. I think Dan Donaldson can tell you what Jonas uses - it looks very nice and seems to hold up well. I'm sure everyone will have their opinion on colors and shade. We went by what was on the engine and original literature. Usually there are some Case Road Roller postcards on Ebay. Our Case is a 1911 36hp so the later engines may be different. What ever paint you use I would strongly reccomend using hardner in the paint. I am glad to see that you have some experienced engineers helping you and that you have removed the piping to the boiler. Once it's all cleaned up and the new piping is installed you won't have to worry about unexpected leaks or burst pipes. I would also reccomend going through the valves that you have off and make sure that they seal before you put them back on. Do it know so you don't have to take it apart again. Good luck with your project!
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When the time comes to paint the engine, what color should the different parts be?
I find it intriguing that at one time in it's life, this engine looks like it was originally RED! Maybe when it was steam roller? Seems like most Case owners go with green and black. If you painted it red, it would certainly be unique among Case engines.
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-Jim, the Engine was last inspected and given a certificate in 1993. After the owner died, three sons inherited it and they didn't do anything with it for about 15 years. The engine was then inspected in 2009 by one of the sons as he was wanting to get it to use in parades and such, but they never did get the inspection all done. I am planing on replacing all the old valves, as they are just hardware store junk. As far as literature, I do have the Case Steam Engine manual. As well, thanks to fellow Stakker Robert M, a nice collection of IMA Magazines to reference. I know there are more books out there, just haven't gotten them yet. I will have to look into getting the book that you mentioned. I can use all the literature I can get. Also, Thanks for the kind words in your reply, they mean a lot!

- Steam Loco, I was advised by the Steam guys in my club who looked over my engine as well as who are helping me work on it to take off the boiler jacket to make sure that the boiler was still in good shape underneath. It also made taking the old pipes off the engine easier in some cases. Believe it or not, this engine has spent the last 20 or so years outside , but I do think that the jacket as well as the canopy helped keep the boiler in good condition. Thanks for the advice on the paint. I definitely will have to do some research into the matter.

-Steam Punk, it looks like the engine has been repainted many times. Underneath many of the areas there is a layer of paint that has a lot of pin-striping. I will have to examine the engine a little closer to see if there is any of the old original paint left on it, but being almost 100 years old, that may be a strech!
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Be careful when tossing out the old valves. Make sure you don't throw away original Case valves. There are some special bleader valves for the preheater/steam pump and a 90deg valve that goes into the boiler, with Case casting numbers in it, I believe after the preheater. I'd keep all the old valves in a bucket and hang on to em even if you don't fix them.

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These valves may already be missing as I don't see any Marsh Steam Pump in your pictures
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-SteamLoco, I plan on saving everything that I take off as a reference for later. I will be going to look at a 50 HP Case, that is run out at our Camp Creek Threshers Show every year, to see how that boiler is plumbed. The 50 HP Case is plumbed as it came out of the factory, so that will be a great template to reference.
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Thought you all would like to see some old photos of the 1914 Case 40 HP Convertible Steam Engine.

Here is a picture of the 1914 Case Steam Engine in the timber fields of Glenrock, Wyoming. The engine was used there at a sawmill and when the timber ran out it sat until 1958 when Bruce H. Thompson of Mills, Wyoming bought it. That is Bruce standing on the engine with his son.

Next is when it was out at a show years ago. Maybe someone remembers seeing this engine at shows?

Here is another when the engine was owned by the Myer's at there farm near Bradshaw, Nebraska in 1992.

Finally a letter about the Case Steam Engine Written by the Myers when they owned the engine.

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Did you take any pictures of the original looking paint and pinstriping? as far as we know the rollers were painted the same as the tractions, green engine and red wheels and gearing. theres at least one that the owners and previous owners thought was all red. and ive seen pictures of all green ones on stak here too. so who knows, maybe they were painted like that, or repainted early in their lives.
also save the valves for the handles like someone was saying. i didnt look back far enough in your posts to notice if any where the case type handles or not. also do you have a gear pump on it? it is plumbed in the heater and through an expansion joint into the boiler,
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Here's a picture of our 20 when it was fresh from the shop. its anolder model but your engine wa likely painted the same.
Mike is right dont sandblast on the engine. use wire burshes or a wire wheel to remove old paint. we used gasoline to clean and prep before painting, it disolves grease. then you wipe everything off good, and it dries the surface a bit.
id use the good Ruseoleum like Mike was refering too. dont get all caught up on making it super smooth and perfect, just put on a couple coats for good coverage. these engines weren't meant to stay pretty long, they were built to work.
Second picture is a 1914 80 in North dakota, that look purrty with a nice blue jacket
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Colin, I was able to get some pictures of the paint that is on the engine. I apoligize for not getting you a reply sooner, I have been busy with school and work. There are multiple layers of paint on this engine. If you look closely you can see were there is some pinstriping on the front axle pedistal as well as on the bottom of the firebox, on the access door for cleaning out the ashes. The wheels look like they have been painted red as well as green. The boiler looks like it has always been black, but on the front of the engine, you can see some sort of red design going around the front of the boiler. The bunkers were rebuilt in the late 1950's so there wouldnt be any original paint on those, but you can see that there are many layers of paint put on over the years, as well as decals!

Thanks for posting the pictures of your engine and the one in South Dakota. They sure are nice looking engines!

As far as the Gear pump, I dont believe that this engine has one.

Also, I am saving everything that comes off the engine. Something that comes off might come in handy later!

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Andrew,

Thanks for the interesting shots.....the engine has really has had a "colorful" life! I see black, several shades of green, orange, PINK, yellow, white, silver......



Have you chosen a final paint scheme? Being as it was the first Case roller I knew of, I like the all black scheme with the jacket and brass bands that AH Shear's (now Ted Best's) roller.

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An original J.I. Case Threshing Machine Company post card showing paint colors and white pin stripes. The rear bunkers did not have the factory scene on them as the tractions did. Also they had the eagles in the rear of the bunkers and "Case Steam Roller" on the sides.


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Beth, you are right, the engine has had a colorful life! Could you post a picture of Ted Bests Rollar? I would like to see what it looks like. For now I have not decided on a color scheme, but I would like it to be as factory correct as possible.

SteamLoco, thank you so much for posting that picture! It sure helps a lot in finding out what the factory colors were.

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Here is a picture of the roller now:



and when I used to see it all black (yes, I know, the photo is black & white....):



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Steamloco, i was thinking the later rollers had 2 factory scenes on the back. but would have to research that again. the Green scan is interesting. i wouldn't rule out that they were painted all back, green or red, because like today maybe they wanted the construction equipment to stand out or be different. in one of the Case books there's a picture of a 1910roller and you can see its jazzed up with extra silver paint.
Andrew its looking like none of that paint is original.. youd have to dig deep around the engine bed or bearings, or lower cannon bearings/hubs, to see if the last guys that worked on the engine maybe missed some old grease. thats usually where you find original colors hiding under.
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Beth, Thanks for the photos of the engine. Sure it a nice one! I hope mine turns out that good!

Colin, I will look closer in the areas you mentioned to see if I can find any original paint! Hopefully something will show up!

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I'm sure you could probably order "custom" colors from the factory. All black doesn't seem out of the realm of possibility. Also the two factory scenes may have been on later years - ours is the old style 36hp. I've seen an all black 12 ton Case roller several years ago at Miami Valley. It had a scarifier(sp?) and no canopy. I wish you the best of luck with your project! Remember that whatever color you paint it - it's just paint. If someone else buys it or it bugs you later you can always repaint it I think making new side curtains for the canopy would also look really sharp. I don't know that any originals survived?

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Also noted - the eagle on the old style smoke box door appears to be silver. I thought all the old style smoke box doors were suppose to be painted like the decal? Did this also depend on who was painting/how busy they were?
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