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Showing BIG Engines

Besides the blowing of smoke, shooting flames and exhausting gas, another dimension has emerged. The successful therapeutic healing of a momentarily overwelmed member of the group.

The Fairbanks Kid has the blues!

I always wanted a big engine and I’ve seen lots of them at the shows. Boy oh boy! They always make great show pieces! When I had a chance to buy this one (F&M 15hp Z) I was as happy as that feeling you get when bringing home an old engine. After a while, I really began to understand that the bigger the iron and the more weight, it’s much harder to work on. The engine is now broken down so it could be moved by the previous owner and I dont even have a trailer yet that could support it. After two years, now I'm going to have to make up my mind to either put it all together (maybe on a skid) or trade it off for something smaller? What has my emotions mixed, is that it is a Fairbanks Morse and thats my favorite. Anyone else feel this deep about their old iron or am I just carried away? – Fairbanks Kid

Big engines? I wimper every time I think about moving my little cushman cub. I dont know how something so small can be so heavy – Steve

I’ve got two of those things and I load the one that I show on and off the trailer with a come along. I’ts easy when I put one inch pipe under the skids. Sometimes I put 4x4s under the flywheels ond roll it off the trailer with the plug taken out to relieve compression. It is easier to unload if the place where you unload is close to the same height as your trailer, but it would be better if the big one had its own trailor. I just turned 65 and I can still crank the 15 HP although it may not be long until I quit showing it. Maybe this will help you get over the blues. – Lon

HEY KID! Just get motivated and get the job done. Even if you do decide to sell it, its worth more in running condition. And once you get it running you most likley won’t sell it anyhow. Pick up a cart so you can move it around your shop, or take it out and run it until you get a trailer. I just bought a 10 hp Z and I love it. Just getting ready to tear it down for minor repairs, cart alterations, new screen tank, and paint job. Looking forward to showing it late this year or early next year. ( DONT SELL IT ) – Allen

I have several small flywheel engines but there is nothing like my 9HP Hercules for me. I believe you would find it was all worth while to restore it. – Ed

Don`t sell it! It took me two years to be able to buy a trailer to move my 7HP Hercules after I put it on an old steel wheeled running gear. Always remember, even if you don`t have a trailer to move it now, it will still bring you a lot of joy to listen to it run at your own home. – Dave

I only have one thing to say Kid, "Dedicated Trailer." Check out Dave Rotigel's 16 hp. Galloway and the trailer he built for it, a very fine way to show a large engine. – Ted


If it has been a dream, or a long time goal to obtain an engine like this, then you need to ask yourself a couple of questions. Will I be sorry if I get rid of it? Will I always be kicking myself for getting rid of it? I'm bummed out now, but will it be worse if I get rid of it? Why do I really want to get rid of it? Is my reason for getting rid of it not only valid, but sound in my reasoning? If it turns out that you really want to keep it, then keep it. You have been in this hobby for a while, and are resourceful, (You have to be resourceful to be in this hobby.) What you are feeling or thinking might just be temporary, and any action taken now might really be aggravating to you later, when in a different mood. If you want to keep it, just remember what your mom and dad told you the same as everybody elses mom and dad told them. "you can do, and accomplish anything you set your mind to." If they never told you that, I'm sure they wanted to. If not, I'm telling you that and basically everyone else in this thread is telling you that. So turn around twice, look in the mirror, and say I own that engine, and I know about that engine, and it's going to be my pride and joy. This will all just become a memory.. Get on with it!!!! – CHUCK

Hi Kid, I think the problem is.....You have big chunks you are trying to move. Break that thing down into smaller pieces, and work on one part at a time! Find yourself a place in the back of your shop, or back yard, wherever, and build some skids, and as you get a part ready, put it on the engine. You'll be amazed at how fast it will come together. I have to handle parts all by myself because everyone around my house is female, and they don't intend to sweat! So I just have to figure out a way to manhandle the BIG parts. I have TWO of the fifteen horse fairbanks that I am building and I most likely will just keep them at the house for me to watch and take my trailer of smaller engines to the shows. I have a sign in my shop that says "a person who WANTS to do something will find a way, while a person who does NOT, will find an excuse." So find a way! -- David M.

Shortly after I got into this hobby, I got the bug for a big engine and I bought a big oilfield engine. She weighs about 5000lbs. I have been building a cart for her to take to a show or two and the cart alone has become a big project. You have to take into account the weight of the engine, balance, flywheel to ground clearance, and above all, safety. I'm almost done with the cart and with almost 20lbs of welding rod into it, I am very proud of the end result. Sure, the big engines are heavier, and working on some things on them are more difficult, but when I take my engine to a show, chances are, where I live, it will be the only one of its type there. Next time you attend a show, check out the crowds of people admiring those big old engines, especially hearing them run! To me its all worth that alone. Don't get me wrong, I still LOVE the little ones too! But, there's noting like those big guys just popping along. Good luck Kid! You'll have it running one of these days. – Pete

Granted, my 6hp is nowhere near as massive as yours, but it was laying around in parts like yours and it took me months to complete working on it in my spare time. Even if it takes another two years to complete, if you get rid of it, the time is still going to pass, but then you won't have the engine. Take your time, work on it a little bit as you can. You think bringing it home was a thrill, wait 'til she fires for the first time after YOU did all the work. --David.

Thanks guys for such great support! I read everyone’s advice and thought it over last night. So I've decided to keep the big engine. Gonna take my time and your advice about trailer and skid ideas. Maybe even post some pictures of my progress as I go along. From what I read, there's all kinds of ways to move around and work on a big engine. And I would miss it if I sold it. If you happen to read this one Harry, we really got alot of good folks here. – Kid

That's the right attitude. My biggest is a 10HP Mogul tank cooled. Fortunately, it's a portable and I can drag it around the yard with my (JD) lawn tractor, and the ladies of the house just pitch in and help push it in the shed, and operate the winch when loading it on the trailer. – Paul

It might feel like your pushing an anvil up hill, but that's how you get it to the top of the mountain. HANG IN THERE! -- CHUCK

I’ve had nothing but admiration for all on this board since discovering it awhile back. Besides the blowing of smoke, shooting flames and exhausting gas, another dimension has emerged. The successful therapeutic healing of a momentarily overwelmed member of the group. "CONGRATULATIONS" to you all. – Vic

My Dad used to say. "Be carefull what you wish for, because you just might get it". So now you got a momma for all those little pups. That thing ain't nothing but a lot of big smaller parts. Better keep it, they don't make them like that anymore. -- Al

Good to hear you are going to keep the big one. I have had my 12hp R&V running for less than a year now and it is always stunning to watch. I thought I was mad taking on such a big engine (my previous biggest restoration was 4hp) but it was worth it in the end. I bought a small workshop crane to be able to move the parts around and a larger trailer to move the finished engine. The big ones are well worth the effort once you get them to a show. – Patrick


THERE"S NO REPLACEMENT FOR DISPLACEMENT !! Nothin starches my jeans like draggin out the Bessemer half-breed (7.5" bore) on a summer eve and firing her up. Big iron is a pain to move, but put it all on good carts and or dedicated trailers and it is a breeze. The carts/trailers come with the turf - pay to play and save your back. I'd say get her restored by talking through a nice long stack and you'll be hard pressed to let her go. – Paul

This thread sits close to home for me as well. I have a 15HP Fairbanks oil engine just waiting for restoration and some way to move it to a show. See -- Harry


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