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Old 09-05-2006, 01:58:42 AM
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Bill Miller sent me photos from the Portland show of an engine with
a GRAY tag on it. I have a hard time believing it's a GRAY.
Anyone know what it is? Thanks, Tom
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Old 09-05-2006, 08:58:16 AM
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First of all I am with You she don't look like no gray that I have ever seen. There are two holes on the outside of the Gray tag that lead me to believe that that is not the original tag. The lines of the engine have nothing in common with any other Gray nor does the intake or ignition system. If you ask me the pictured engine has English or European lines to it.
Now having said all that it is a very attractive engine and boy would I love to have her in my shop.
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Old 09-05-2006, 09:59:20 AM
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It sure is a nice looking engine, But I think my Gray-Woodpecker looks more like a Gray then that does. Still its a nice small hit and miss engine.
~ Jonathan
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Old 09-05-2006, 12:32:54 PM
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I see many details in the photo that leave me suspicious that this MIGHT be another fantasy restoration. I would want to examine this in person; before saying much about it. of course, if a staker come threw with a positive ID, then thats another story. Otherwise, I'd be cautious on this one.
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Old 09-05-2006, 06:48:14 PM
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The tag on the engine appears to be exactly like the tag Harry Cooper from Cooper models has with his Gray model L casting kit. I have just finished building this model and it sure looks like the tag I have on My model Gray. I am with you guys. This ain't a Gray...
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Old 09-05-2006, 07:39:14 PM
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Unlike any Gray I have seen. Besides, it's green. Must belong to that Chinese fellow; Fu Ling Yu. Al Wait
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Default Re: GRAY Engine?

MIGHT as well throw my hat in the FIRE here,, look at the last picture
notice the extra holes in the hopper, where the gray tag is mounted, its had some other tag on it , before the "Gray" was poped rivited on ,
would be nice to know what its really suppose to be!

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Some other details I am looking at are the mixer, head, exhaust lever and pushrod and muffler all look like possable fabrications.
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Old 09-06-2006, 04:40:15 PM
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Hey if thats someones homemade engine I need to take another apprenticeship!!!!And i'm 70 years old. Are their any casting numbers on it? Is the crank drop forged? it looks like it to me and not like anything made in a U S shop. Is the rod bronze or just painted? My vote is for a European engine, possibly Czek.
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I did not mean to suggest complete home made engine. I suggest another in a long list of fantasy restorations. Thats a base, crank & flywheels from some perhaps common junker with a new head, bondo hopper, new push rod and new mixer new muffler. I DONT KNOW. Just blowin smoke here! But, unless someone can come up with an positive id, then this one for an expert to examine in person. Whats up with that exhaust lever, is that a steel fabrication ? can any one id any parts like governor, flywheels etc? Bottom line, I am not near as knowledgable as many many others on this site. So--this is just wild speculation and I would be impressed as heck to learn this is a for real engine.
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Old 09-07-2006, 12:59:40 AM
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The only thing I can see that would indicate a Gray is the "wheelbarrow" truck.

This is a picture of a Gray I have "restored" for a friend and I know it to be all original, because The friend says his grandpa bought it brand new. He was removing an old shed on his grandpa's farm, which had fallen down, and when he was picking up all the "stuff" that was left, up comes a bucket with the little Gray in it. He said: "You'll never be able to get that thing running!" Well I don't have it running yet, but Pinckneyville, Portland and Jerseyville shows, plus the new girl friend hasn't left me much time to get it timed. If any one out there can help me with "switch" to fire the buzz coil, I would sure appreciate it?

"DELCO DON" Southern Illinois
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It's difficult to tell from the angles shown. Check out a 2hp throttle governed Witte and see if they aren't the same (less the head and hopper top).

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Kirk, I believe you have solved the mystery. Remove the addition to the top of the hopper, put on the correct head and EK mag and it sure looks like my 2hp witte. I thought it might be a witte when I first seen the feet under the front of the engine. Ain't this fun!!
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Old 09-09-2006, 04:23:03 PM
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All rite, Some one post a picture of a 2 hp Witte.
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Hey guy's

Here are the photos of my Dad's 2hp Witte... Sure looks like the same engine to me with a few modifications.

John Davis
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Default Re: GRAY Engine?

Here's a picture of an engine I took at the Nittany Show Saturday. When I started looking through the pictures on the computer, I thought, hey that looks familiar. This one even has the dry head.

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Bill, I presume you don't remember what that engine was tagged as, do you?
I took a bunch of engine photos at Mt. Pleasant, thinking I could read what they said, or I'd remember what they were..... I was only half right!
Anyway, whatever the original engine is, it's a keeper.
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You are right Tom, I suffer from CRS. On a good day it's DRS. The heck of it is, I remeber looking at a tag on an engine and it read Lauson. But this engine doesn't look like any Lauson's in the BRB. Sorry
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