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Paul, I always enjoy following your posts! I always learn something new from your projects, model or full size. I'd like to see more of your tool holder for the hacksaw blade you used on your lathe, I could put that to use! Cheers, Greg
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CHECK this out . I’m to the point where the saw table was done enough to put the ¼ scale Hopper Cooled Famous back on the trucks I made. I dug out my 1/8” x 1/16 leather belting (not right, but its all I have) from the leather stash, cut it to length (33 ½”), and stapled it together for a snug fit over the engine and mandrel pulleys. I made up a one piece bracket for mounting the saw blade shroud with provisions for the belt tensioner on the other side. After some minor alignments and general fussing , I got the belting to stay on the pulleys when I free wheeled the engine clutch pulley. Will it eventually cut wood, probably. I’m working on ideas for the blade shroud and belt tensioner pulley but as usual , I ran out of time while having fun in NJ on the way through.
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While thinking about the belt tensioner, an idea popped up in my mind and I went to the wife (got to keep them involved, somehow ) and asked if she had a spare sewing machine “bobbin” I could have forever. Twenty minutes later I had one in my hand. Thirty minutes later I had the necessary ¾” long brass bushing made for the bobbin (pulley), and had it mounted on the trucks. I can live with the holes for cooling or if one prefers “lighter weight” . Here's a photo of the belt tensioner bobbin set up. It probably will change a bit moving forward, with a spring type fixed support .
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Very cool. Please please post some pictures of it sawing some pencils or something haha
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Watch them ideas "poppin" in yur mind. Wouldn't want some kind of an overload er somethin.
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I put a spring on the tensioner and it works fine, but I’m having a problem with the saw guard design, which got me to thinking about all those sheet metal bead rollers tools with attachments I bought years ago. I guess I can find them piled up on the shelf under my steel work table . I know where all the various rollers are, and I’ll have to go to the YOUTUBE videos to find out how to use them . How about that CD I got a few years back on roll forming sheet metal someplace around here .
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BUT, as I was wandering the halls of one of the big box stores, looking for solutions to my problems, things began popping in my mind (no overload - yet) as I picked up a tin bucket the right size and some expanded metal I was looking for before to make the saw table (maybe on the next one). What's the bucket for stay tuned to the build.
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When I got home, I got out the trusty tin snips and went to work . After a few snips here and a few snips there, a few holes here and pop rivets there I had the saw guard made . Then added a brace at the top and a screw through the bottom, and there it is . The saw blade guard came out pretty good. Still more to do, but pretty soon I might be cutting pencils...
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Snow and rain kept me from the “FLEA” market today , so I decided to work on the model a bit more . I made a more realistic belt tensioner for a 1/2" belt, and got that on. Then, I finished up the ignition, coil and battery wiring. While at it, the model needed a spark saver , so I made one of those too. It was a bit of a challenge, making the tiny lift pulley and getting the angles right, but I got it done on the first cut, and functioning . The first picture shows it in the normal push rod ignition (HIT) position and the second shows it in the spark saver, push rod lifted (MISS) position . I thought about firing it up, but as usual, I ran out of time while having fun in NJ on the way through. Maybe before Christmas I’ll cut some pencils.
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Today I took all the blue paint off the saw blade as one more thing I wanted to do. I sure have spent a bit of time on the model IHC “SAW” rig, getting it to look as much as I can, like the photos I have of a real life one. A few hours have been spent with the lathe, drill press, radial arm saw, files, sandpaper, drill, reamers, 1/8” hole punch, center punch, tin snips, screw drivers, wrenches, scrapers, grinder, wire wheel, new tool purchases (does one need a reason) with my Sears gift card, safety glasses and face shield. Then in general finding ”STUFF” I’ve collected at the “FLEA” market for my many projects to bring you the photo build of my ¼ scale IHC Hopper Cooled Saw Rig model. Did I mention the many minor fitting adjustments , and, that I like to sometimes build things . Sorry if I missed anything, but I’m sure I did. Here are a few more pictures of it almost done (are we ever really), except for paint which will have to wait for warmer weather.

Just in case you missed it, here is the link to my IHC model engine trucks I built from scratch, that the saw rig is sitting on.

http://www.smokstak.com/forum/showthread.php?t=108440

I’m not done yet, with more to do as I work in the garage shop (to cold for the outdoor shop).

Just having fun in NJ on the way through .
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those wrenches in the background give the feeling that you are working in a giants workshop haha.
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Its been awhile since I made the model saw rig attachment and since it was such a nice day today, I opened the garage door, fired up the model, engaged the clutch pulley, and cut some pencils with the model just Hit & Missing along. Note the spark saver I made on the igniter trip rod to save wear & tear on the igniter. Now that is so “COOL” , a model doing something. I'm so excited that it works as well as it does . Here is a video of it running, cutting some pencils, and making a mess of the work bench.



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Paul, Those are pretty short pencils your making. Seriously "Great job" Thanks for sharing.
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Really nice Paul, I love it when a plan comes together, and yours sure did. I am hoping to build a cart for a 1/3 scale Hired Man engine soon and would be very happy if it turned out nearly as good as yours. Any advice?
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It looks like you're having way too much fun in New Jersey Paul! Very cool to see a working saw rig on a model.
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Bob & others: The best advice I can give you is find a good detailed picture of what you want to do, and scale it to your model from the picture. I don't like odd decimals (ie. 1.321 vs 1 .125, .792 vs 0.75 etc.) scales that don't match standard materials at hand, or available from the Big Discount building stores around the corner. I usually round up or down to match what I have to work with. But if you want to take the time to trim and size materials to the odd decimal, have at it. When done, either way is acceptable to me, and probably gives you pretty much the same "LOOK". Sometimes it works best one way or the other. Then just sort of follow what I did in my Famous/Mogul truck build in the following link. If I make another, It might be a bit different. But that's OK with me.

http://www.smokstak.com/forum/showthread.php?t=108440

Remember, we're not building space ships or close tolerance models, and close is good enough for some things. Above all, let it be "FUN" , even with those frustrating moments where you have to do something more than once. When I can, I do a sketch, transfer it to a piece of cardboard, and make a part to see how it fits in with everything else. If it doesn't quite fit just trim with a scissors or add a piece with the hot glue gun and trim away till you're happy. Then go make the real part from steel, wood or that modified tin can. Keep track as you change drawings and date them to keep them up to date. Sometimes when you're done you want to change something, and you'll know where to start from. Good luck, and have fun doing it .
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Now you can use your model to build small wood parts for your models. Very neat.

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Thanks for taking the time to post your 2012 wagon build log. Really nice work. I do not have any were near the equipment you have but it gives me some good ideas!
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K.K. came over the other day for a short visit with Tim to see the ¼ scale saw rig model run. It started on the first spin of the flywheels (cold) , and they both just stood there and watched the engine hit then go into the miss mode with the spark saver functioning as it should, lifting the igniter push rod and then releasing it, with the igniter push rod then tripping the igniter for a hit. After a few minutes of watching this jewel run , K.K. cut some pencils making a mess of the work bench , which was OK with me because we were just having fun in NJ , on the way through.
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