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Onan 12MDJC-3R/2268D Serial #16c859299 White Smoke


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Old 01-02-2018, 03:36:54 PM
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Default Onan 12MDJC-3R/2268D Serial #16c859299 White Smoke

Hello everyone here at smoke stac, good to be here again .

Ive had some issues with my onan and she is getting closer but i cant seem to beat this whits smoke when she runs. Its also using an aweful lot of fuel as well. When running after hard starting, it uses about 2 cups of fuel in about 5 minutes and also burns very hot, with the 4 and 2 cylinder exhaust wet with unburned fuel after shutting her down and pulling exhaust manifold.1 and 3 are dry and black. Here are a few things i have checked so far, pulled 4 cyl injector and swapped it with 3, wetness did not follow injector swap. Timing lines up with the flywheel and the pin hole on side of inj pump. Compression in all as follows,#1 278lbs, #2 210, #3 260, #4 260lbs. The inj pump and inj were just rebiuld from a shop in orlando fl.(accurate diesel). $385 bucks ago. Can anyone help with a further diagnose? New head gaskets also, i dont know much on the history, the guy i bought from had it 3 years and guy before said it had blown head gasket. Inj pump pin was broke when i had rebiuld. Any help please is appreciated.

OH I forgot to add the glow plugs all but one check out good. not that this would add to smoke, maybe harder starting ,,,,
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Default Re: 12mdjc-3r/2268d serial #16c859299 white smoke

A crack in a head letting A/F get in the cylinder, cam lobes worn, totally positive the injector lines are on the correct cylinders?

Just because the pump was rebuilt does not always mean it is correct.
Diesels only need heat (from compression), clean air and atomized fuel to fire. Hopefully the smart guys will be along with better answers.


Pump timing could greatly effect starting, temp. and consumption.

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...about 2 cups of fuel in about 5 minutes and also burns very hot...
I bet it does, that is 1.5 gallons per hour, about 50% more than full load consumption should be.
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You may need to pull the injection pump, take it to a qualified shop and have the calibration checked. I would also check your engine oil too as you are probably getting fuel dilution of the oil.
Are the "Wet" cylinders firing at all? Can you barely crack the lines on the cylinders in question and have the engine smooth out by letting off some of the fuel?
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Default Re: Onan 12MDJC-3R/2268D Serial #16c859299 White Smoke

Right now the more you run it the quicker you wash the rings out.ie #2 pressure drop. White smoke could be coolant But in your case already questioning head gasket pull head for heated pressure test at quality not rinky dink machine shop. then have all 4 injectors redone to spec. then clean fuel tank of most likely moisture.
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Forgot to mention also, when I was replacing head gaskets, I brought them to heads up here in auburn wa. and they checked for worp and magnifluxed them and they were both good to go. thanks for your feedback.

it sounds as if all are firing, I will get it running here in a couple of days when I have time and crack the line on 4 to see if it lets up on smoke,

does anyone know the direction the pump turns aso I can check to see if all the lines are on correctly? It seems very hard to cross any of those lines the way they are curved and all. Iam not doubting it, I want to verify all of your thoughts. thanks again
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Are you sure it is properly timed. They will smoke if even if a tooth off. Request a manual it has the timing steps. It is a pain to do but must be done.
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White smoke from a Diesel engine indicates unburned fuel.
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i AM PRETTY SURE, i AM SITTING AT PC WHICH IS JUST ABOUNT AN INCH ON FLYWHEEL BEFORE TC STAMP ON IT. AND THE PUMP IS SITTING WITH THE PIN HOLE LINED UP. THAT PIN HOLE IS THE ONE WHERE YOU TAKE OUT THE SCREW ON THE SIDE OF THE INJ PUMP TO REMOVE SO IT WONT TURN. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? MAYBE THERE IS A BETTER WAY OR THIS WAY IS INCORRECT? ANYBODY KNOW HOW CORRECTLY TO CHECK THE TIMING?
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Yes, timing could be off, what I don't get though is why 2 cylinders seem to be firing and 2 are not per the smoky wet cylinders he said yet, compression on #4 looks to be good and it is one that is wet.
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Give us a good pic of the pump and the fuel lines going to the cylinders, it seems unlikely that 2 are swapped but best to eliminate that as a cause. Cheers Dan
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Maybe you can compare to the lines in post #3 here:

https://www.smokstak.com/forum/showthread.php?t=169147
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Will do Dan, when I get home today I will take some good pics, From the pic on#3 post that nothingbutdarts showed me that tels me the rotation direction of the pump clockwise just like the flywheel so I can make sure the lines are attached correctly in order.
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Thanks nothingbutdarts, I appreciate the pics of the pump lines order. I will check mine tonight when I get home and grab a pic or 2,. Thank you.
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Be very hard to cross the injector lines. You need manual 974-0750. My scanner is down so I can't send it. But all the timing information is in it. Firing order is 1-2-4-3.
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For the sake of simplicity I took a look at one of my units, this is what I got. Facing the pump , at 2 o'clock cyl 1 , at 5 o'clock cyl 3 , at 8 o'clock cyl 4 and at 11 o'clock cyl 2. That makes the rotation anti clockwise according to the firing order. This is off a running machine so I believe it to be correct. Cheers Dan
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Cant seem to figure out how to upload a pic, my bad, any directions on how ?

Dan, looking at mime it shows the rotation according to how these lines are installed counter clockwise, like yours, so I dont see this as the issue.
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Try this:

https://www.smokstak.com/forum/showthread.php?t=40589



This is very interesting, your fuel lines are correct, you swapped injectors from a good cyl. into a bad cylinder and then it did not help the bad cyl. You posted the compression of the bad cylinder and it was good per your test. Now if a diesel had compression and atomized fuel it will fire.

Two things I would do is first pull rear valve cover and check valve settings on both cyls. Then if that was good I would pull all 4 injectors and try to hook all 4 back up to the fuel lines out of the engine and crank the engine carefully watching the spray pattern and amount. Or as mentioned, have all the injectors and pump retested..
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Well I found how, thanks to Craig for his posting. here are 2 pics hope you can see where they go. pretty simple I think? Please advise.
so should I check the inj timing, I would have to use option 2 for checking it, blowing air in to the pump and slowly turn flywheel until air stops and take it from there to see how far out of time it is or not? and then shim it according to the diagram they have in the book. anyone have a different option? please advise,

much appreciated guy's

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Thasnks nothingbutdarts, but I think I was reading Craig A posting how to when you sent it to me.
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Hinothingbutdarts, sorry for delayed response

I will check valve clearance again to be sure for sure, asap and if ok pull all injectors and crank it over. watch pattern for a bit, if not noticeable to my eyes I even want to put a hose on the ends of each injectors and shoot fuel pumped out into separate vials to measure amount and see if all are equal in amounts or if 2 and 4 are more???

any other thoughts anyone? This seems to be a stump doesnt it???
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