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Old 10-15-2009, 12:16:15 PM
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Hello, I am new to this forum and have an interest in purchasing an oil field Fairbanks Morse 118 or 204. Are parts available for these models? How does the performance of a 7 hp 118 compare to a modern high RPM small Briggs? I gather that the slow running FM engine has lots of torque and would imagine that the work of this 118 would probably be similar to the work output of a 15-20 hp Briggs. Does anyone know what the weight of a 118 Faibanks and a 204 Fairbanks would be? My interest in a the above listed Fairbanks engines is to run a small backup generator as well as an 8" I-H burr mill. Has anyone had experience running either model of Fairbanks on Natural gas? I would like to learn what is the proper method for a natural gas running Fairbanks.
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Old 10-15-2009, 01:03:17 PM
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Default Re: Fairbanks Morse 118 or 204 questions

Parts are plentiful both new and used for the 118/208 the 118 is 780 lb and the 208 weighs in at 1135. Im sure our good friend Doug Wagnor will chime in with information on how to run them on natural gas.

heres a video of mine running on regular gas


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Default Re: Fairbanks Morse 118 or 204 questions

There is no way either could match a 15 hp briggs. The 204 you mentioned is actually a 208 and can make up to 12 hp at 675 rpm. If you need more, the 346 makes 18 at 575 rpm. The 118 is only good for 9 hp at 700 rpm.
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Default Re: Fairbanks Morse 118 or 204 questions

Depends on what you want or need. A Briggs makes it's power with RPM, the FM's with torque. Sure the Briggs will outwork a FM for about the first week but then after that it's pretty much going to be worn out. The FM's will still be running years from now. That is IF you keep oil and water in them. For continuous duty the FM can not be beat.
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Hello Doug,
Could you tell me what is the best method for running a 118 FM on natural gas. I have read elswhere that a good approach is to start the engine on gasoline then turn on the NG.
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Default Re: Fairbanks Morse 118 or 204 questions

The original carb on the ZC engines are a dual fuel carb. Gasolione or Gas, weather it be Natural Gas, Propane or Butane. There is a 1/2" NPT threaded hole in the side on the carb where you plumb in the gas line, all of the ZC carbs I've seen already have a 1/2" pipe nipple sticking out from there anyway. These carbs have a 1/2 pint reservoir for Gasoline starting if your not use to starting engines on Natural Gas.
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Thanks for the response. Do you run an engine repair shop? If so, I think I tried to call you last week on Fri. The engine I am looking at lacks the carb. In your thinking, should I purchase an original or look to replace with an IMPCO carb? Do you recommend a volume tank to feed the engine from rather than just pulling from a 1/2" NG supply? I would like to run on the NG supply and pressure at my home.
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Reed Engine is who has the repair shop, send him a pm or am email. For personal use I'd just use the factory carb set up. If your going to power something with the engine you'll need a some sort of a volume tank. If your just going to run it to watch it go round and round, no volume tank needed.
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Hello Doug,
Thanks for your reply. I actually plan to run some belt driven equipment, Burr mill, corn sheller, grist mill, buzz saw and maybe a small light plant, (not all at once hahahaha). I am just trying to figure out if I should look to buy a 208 or 118. I will probably never plan to use it 24-7 as it was designed but do like the reliability built into FM engines. What is your thinking? The weight of the 208 is something to consider, especially if I did any county fair or engine shows.
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Default Re: Fairbanks Morse 118 or 204 questions

I have a 118, 208 and 346 and none of them are moveable without a forklift. It may be possible to put a heavyduty cart under the 118 to try to move by hand, but it is heavy ( mine has the 3 belt clutch pulley)
They are a great running engine design and replacement parts are readily available. Ed at Reed Engine can fix you up. Good luck with your project.
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I have to respectfully disagree with Jim. I have a 15 hp FM Z engine on a heavy duty cart with heavy duty casters that have steel wheels. It weighs about 2500 pounds all together and it is pretty easy to push around on level cement. Once I get the heavy flywheels on it, it will weigh over 3000.
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Default Re: Fairbanks Morse 118 or 204 questions

The first thought that comes to my mind is Dirtbikepilot may be a tad younger than Jim Gorter.
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Do any of you have a spare 118 or 208 FM carb spare and for sale? I will be needing one in the very near future.
My 2 cents on the weight of 118 or 208's. I will be purchasing on of these, but don't know yet as I have not decided which one will suit my needs and interests better. I do plan to build a dedicated rubber tired trailer, not to big but adequate to pull the engine to where I need to use it. I can then back it into my farm building when not in use and keep it out of the weather. I would then not be fighting continually with the physical weight. I just need to decide between the 6 hp 800 lb. 118 or 1200 lb 12 hp 208. I do assume the weights, that have been shared with me, include the weight of the stock flywheels?
Thanks for your taking time to respond and give me decent ideas to consider.
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Default Re: Fairbanks Morse 118 or 204 questions

Ed, You may be correct in your assumption, I dont know the age of Dirtbike pilot, but it sounds like he shows his engines in a different venue than myself. My shows are in wet grassy parks. Have never shown engines on level concrete except in the shop. All my bigger engines, 6 hp and up are on skids and I load and unload with a forklift. Much easier to push pedals than a 2500 lb hernia waiting to happen. We "old guys" need to be a bit more careful in our advanced years. Jim.
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Default Re: Fairbanks Morse 118 or 204 questions

Alan, I have a 208 mounted on a scrap rear axle from an anhydrous wagon. It rides and pulls great. Pretty much the setup you were describing. Good luck with your project.
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I have a Fairbanks Morse ZC 118 with serial No. ZC091A6&B3 and it has a G above that seris of numbers. Located on top of unit. Serial numbers are hard to read but this is what I could make out.n Anyone have any ideas on this one?
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Here is my Fairbanks Morse ZC 118. As far as I can tell I am missing the magneto, Carb system & fan assembly. The mag gear has been open to the elements for one only knows. Hopefully these pics upload. My question is where to begin on this thing?


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Default Re: Fairbanks Morse 118 or 204 questions

http://www.enginads.com/classifieds/ post an ad here looking for the parts you need. most guys should have at least something that you are looking for.

and heres a pdf book for a break down on parts and how to re time the engine and mag


http://www.arrowengine.com/media/fairbanksPartsBook.pdf

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Default Re: Fairbanks Morse 118 or 204 questions

Alan,
I just did a 118 FBM last winter and recieved great help and advice from this site. I showed it at a local show and at the county fair. It starts easy and is a great runner.
I had a heavy duty cart that I put under it and it moved easy enough even on the grass. Doug Waggoner secured a parts book for me and I have a friend in a town which handles these parts so I was able to get parts I needed in a timely manner. Ed Reed was also a big help in rounding up parts.
Send me a personal message with an e-mail address and I'll send some pics of repair in process. I have not mastered putting pics on this site, but can do the e-mail.
Let me know if I can help.
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Hey Walt your Private Message is off but I sent you an e-mail with my address, will be looking forward to the pics of your rebuild. Thanks for yours & Rays input as it will assist me with a starting point!
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