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My latest purchase, a 14.5” Bore 35 HP Superior, or is it?


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Old 12-15-2010, 11:31:25 PM
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Default My latest purchase, a 14.5” Bore 35 HP Superior, or is it?

One of my latest acquisition is a 35 hp Superior, This would be my first big engine, I have been involved with these type of projects for 40 years. My existing collection includes,, (by far my nicest piece a) IHC 10 HP Horizontal ( predecessor to the titan famous line of engines), 7 Hp Hercules cart mounted saw rig, 5 HP Troy Steam Engine, 6 HP Associated ect,ect.

Anyway here is what I now about the 35 Superior.
3241 cubic inches, that’s 14.5” bore with a 19.625” stroke.
By the way we weighted the piston and rod assembly, it weighted- 390 pound and as seen in the attached pictures it stands taller than I do and look how small the 5 gallon bucket is compared to the piston, that sure seems like a lot of reciprocating mass to me, It has 65.5” flywheels, and the cylinder head casting that weighted in at 435 pounds, we have not weighted her yet but she has to be really heavy.
The limited history I have on her is Jon Rozevink Bought her at the George Helmuth Estate sale some where in Illinois, I want to thank Jon for the opportunity to purchase the old girl, I feel he treated me very fairly in this transaction as the estate auction record were posted on line and easily found, Thanks again Jon…
Now is it a 35 or not, The cylinder has (X915) cast in to it, ( casting ID ??) It also has OO CO 35HP cast into the cylinder, Some of the other parts have 35 / 40 cast into them, I now a few of you guys have 35 hp Superiors, what are the bore/stroke of yours, online I have found 12”bore by 20”stroke listed as 35HP ??
Any and all additional info on this engine or others like it would be greatly appreciated,
We recently got the old girl unstuck (if you will), that was a battle with all the piston area. The bore looks very usable and the piston and rings look great. The piston is stamped STD by the way.
I will be posting pictures and asking questions as the project progresses.
Questions I have at this point are:
Is there any place I should look for I D numbers??
What years did they make these engines and how do I date mine??
What does she weight??
Is she a 35 or a 40??
What RPM did they spec. for here??
What type of gasket material for the head gasket and other gaskets should be used??
Were should the spark plug go and what type plug??
Pictures of the compression release arrangement for these engines??
Please enjoy the Pictures, and thanks for any info you might provide.
Best Regards, Dave Willoughby of Athens, Ohio
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Default Re: My latest purchase, a 14.5” Bore 35 HP Superior, or is it?

It is indeed a 35hp. Weight: 8000 lbs!

Rich Hudak scanned a page from a National Supply Catalog with measurements.

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Default Re: My latest purchase, a 14.5” Bore 35 HP Superior, or is it?

It's good to see you got some pictures posted. It's going to turn out to be a very nice engine I think. I can't wait to see it run.
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Default Re: My latest purchase, a 14.5” Bore 35 HP Superior, or is it?

I used to have a 35, its now at the local show grounds. It is a very easy starting engine consider its size. They run very quiet too, even with a straight pipe.
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Default Re: My latest purchase, a 14.5” Bore 35 HP Superior, or is it?

Looks like a great engine. We have a 25 HP, just like your's but not quite as big. The SN on ours is stamped on the rear of the cylinder. I don't know any way to date these engines. The OOCO stands for Ohio Oil Company or so I was told. The spark plug screws into a hole in the side of the intake valve box. I had some hot tube chimneys cast a few years ago if you want to go that route. Gasket material is available from sponsors of this web site. The compression release is a big washer kind of thing that is placed onto the end of roller pin on the rocker arm. It rides up on the extra cam lobe on the end of the side-shaft and holds the rocker arm open through most of the compression stroke. They are great running engines and surprisingly quiet when they run. Here is a link to our engine which you might find useful to determine how they go together. http://www.herculesengines.com/Superior%2025HP/
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---------- Post added at 11:30 PM ---------- Previous post was at 10:59 PM ----------

Here is a link to some photos of two, 35 HP engines still working on leases in Flatrock, IL. http://www.herculesengines.com/Flatrock/
If you've never seen engines like this still working for a living you need to make the trip to see these.
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Default Re: My latest purchase, a 14.5” Bore 35 HP Superior, or is it?

Hi , Dave. I'll be watching your progress with great interest. I just got home with a 20 hp superior that now takes up the main bay of my shop until I can get it moved off to the side. I weighed my piston and rod and it weighed in at 265# It is a 20" bore. I don't know what the stroke is yet, but 20" sound about right. Is yours mag fired? If so, what mag? Mine is a WICO R1. I believe the 20's weigh in at a little over 5400#s.

Anyhow keep us up to date with what's happening.
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]Here is a link to some photos of two, 35 HP engines still working on leases in Flatrock, IL.]
If you've never seen engines like this still working for a living you need to make the trip to see these.




if you go to see these dave, i need a 15 patton bros. brought back to belpre. i'll buy your gas and food


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Thanks Guys,
Zach thanks for great the reference material

Rick, Can I E-mail you with Questions about the supply book

Jon, Thanks again for the chance to own the 35.

Keith, I spent about an hour studying the Pictures and info you had sent across to me. It was very helpful and informative. What a great project with you son, what great memories he will have.

The flat rock engines, That would be great to see working.
We need to find some one coming this way to tow Rods Patten engine home.

Walt, I have been following your thread on you find, The pictures of the 20 look great,
My 35 is mag fired, Wico , Did you mean to say the bore of you 20HP is 20” in Dia.

Questions I still have at this point are:
Is there any place I should look for I D numbers??
What years did they make these engines and how do I date mine??
Dimension on the compression release roller, width and O.D.??
What type of spark plug??

Thanks and Best Regards, Dave Willoughby
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No , Dave the bore is 12". I tried to edit that to 12 but was unsucessful.
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Default Re: My latest purchase, a 14.5” Bore 35 HP Superior, or is it?

Dave
I'm glad you found my web site useful. Yes, I had a great time working with by Son and Dad on that project.
Sparkplug, We were having trouble with our engine at Portland the year we took it. One of the other Superior engine owners said I needed to find a Champion "Gas Engine Special #33" plug. I went to the vendor area and found a NOS plug and it works great. They turn up on Ebay fairly often but don't come cheap. $25-40. The #34 will also work and is the same plug but has a longer reach I believe. They are old style take apart plugs. I'm sure others will work too.
FYI, there is a guy on ebay selling reproduction Superior catalogs. I bought one but they are for the industrial engines and not the "oil field" engines.
If I remember right the 20 HP has a 11.5" bore, the 25 is 12".

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Dave, I was loking at the other bores and hp's on these posts. I want to further correct the bore measurement on my 20 HP superior. As some of you may realise it is an 11 1/2" bore. I was dead wrong saying it was 12.
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Dave I could be wrong, but I found numbers stamped on the very end of the cylinder flange were it bolts to the block facing the crankshaft opposit side of the sideshaft. Good luck, let me know if you find any there. Tim
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I think Keith is right.. Your engine may not be a Superior. It is a Ohio Oil Company engine. They copied Superior and parts will interchange. I have talked with a man in Flatrock that works on the Superiors there that are still running. . He is the one that told me about the OOCO engines. Here are a couple movies of these Superiors running.







and this guy has about 6 of them in his backyard!!!
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It would be interesting to learn more about the OOCO/Superior relationship. I thought my engine was a Superior, it has the plate on the head saying Superior, and they were sold to the OOCO in large numbers so they placed "OOCO" on the head casting. If anyone knows different I'd like to be corrected??
Here's a photo of the head that shows the OOCO and Superior.
http://www.herculesengines.com/Super...1_155843AA.jpg
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Thanks again guys, 10 degrees here this morning, I am heading out to the shop in a while to get some more pictures and info off the 35, There are Superior markings as well as OOCO markings and i will attempt to post pictures of both, does any one know what years these were produced, Dave
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Kieth, what a great collection your family has pulled together.
Thanks for the vidios fred. It is amazing how quit they run for thier size.
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Your engine may not be a Superior. It is a Ohio Oil Company engine. They copied Superior and parts will interchange.
I believe Superior would cast a custom head plate for its customers. I don't know if it was just an option or if they did it for customers that bought a certain amount of engines. There is one down in Texas (Dwayne Fuller's place) that has the name of a local oil company on it. I can't read the name on the pic I have, but it is something like Wicovia gas and oil or something like that. I am pretty sure that this small oil company did not build their own engines that looked just like superiors.
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Thanks Walt. We've been very fortunate.
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You are right Ray, the 35 at Dewayne's place says Wichita Gas on the head,
Theres a 25 at the oil museum in Drumright, OK that says Tidol Oil on the head, and I have a head cover plate for a 35 that says "The Big Four Tulsa, Ok 35hp"
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Arrow should offer that on their engines.
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