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Old 01-28-2016, 03:11:52 PM
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Default Jet Turbine Powered Generator

Just aquired a Jet Turbine generator. The turbine is suppose to be the same as in the Chinook Helicopter. Anyone know the pre flight check list prior to first start. Its been sitting for 15 years covered looks like new was used for backup power shows 177 hours.
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Old 01-28-2016, 09:28:20 PM
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Default Re: Jet Turbine Powered Generator

Pictures, we need pictures! Been awhile since I've played with turbines, and its not like I was ever taught the proper ways, so.... First thing I'd do is change the oil, and yes you will need turbine oil. Second make sure the fuel shut-off solenoid is working. Get GOOD ear protection. Hit the start button, you have to hold it until it spools up to a certain rpm, when you hear it light off release the button, when it starts screaming don't run. Do not stand in the plane of rotation. After you shut it off do not be surprised if the PD and FD show up
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Old 01-28-2016, 11:03:45 PM
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Default Re: Jet Turbine Powered Generator

Make sure you know what the output ratings are BEFORE you hook it up. Many Air Force generators are 400 hz output and just short of useless to the civilian world.

If you have a model# or something you could probably find a manual.
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Old 01-29-2016, 12:36:29 AM
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Make sure the batteries are adequate and well charged before trying to start it. The starter must spool the turbine up to a sufficient speed before light-off or else the air-fuel mixture will be too rich, leading to a "hot start" that can (possibly) damage the turbine.
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Old 01-29-2016, 08:20:22 AM
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Default Re: Jet Turbine Powered Generator

As mentioned above, plz learn everything about a turbine before you light it off. Find the TM (training manual) on it and digest it. I'm not the least bit familiar with it having only experience with Bell Long Rangers.

Hot start is something to be avoided as it will immediately cook and trash the engine. In the TM you'll learn if it has a hot start disable for protection. I don't know if it does. If not and always, keep an eye on the temperature as soon as the can (s) light off. That's the most critical time of operation. The other critical time is at shut down. Some engines must be idled a while for cool down before hitting the off button. It all should be in the TM with tables pertaining to altitude and ambient temps.

You'll learn first hand about what fuel consumption is! And yeah, a turbine is a different way to turn fuel directly into noise. Think of it as a single spinning part that can out noise a Detroit 2 cycle.
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Default Re: Jet Turbine Powered Generator

Thats sounds really fun! Cant wait. Thanks.
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Old 04-06-2016, 09:02:56 PM
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I saw one of these in operating condition at the Prescott (Az) antique auto club Watson lake car show swap meet and old engine fire up, a cpl years ago. It was the coolest (and loudest) generator that I've ever seen! A really awesome piece. Hope you get it to run, and survive to tell the story! Lol. a.f.g.
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Old 04-07-2016, 12:10:25 AM
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Default Re: Jet Turbine Powered Generator

Please post the model, FSN or NSN, and the TM number if it is on the name plate. I may have A TM for it.
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Default Re: Jet Turbine Powered Generator

I've heard got to watch temps and rate of temp change or welds on blades crack. I've seen a car jet dragster, I looked in the back of jet and all the blades to outer ring welds were cracked.

Sounds like a fun toy, but between fuel consumption and if it's 400 hz, not really usefull. In aircraft it's likely more important to have light weight than good fuel consumption. On ground applications exactly the opposite is desired.
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Old 04-07-2016, 01:03:53 PM
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Default Re: Jet Turbine Powered Generator

At a show several years ago, a gent came with a water pump that was turbine powered. Man did that sucker scream! Was neat to watch, but you needed ear protection if you were close to it. you could hear it a mile away! Literally!!! I would love to get a hold of one, but have not seen any for sale in my area.
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Old 04-07-2016, 01:05:06 PM
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Default Re: Jet Turbine Powered Generator

All of the ones I have seen up for auction are indeed 400 hz.
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Old 04-07-2016, 01:16:05 PM
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Default Re: Jet Turbine Powered Generator

Well, you could rectify the 400 cycle current

Then use an inverter like some modern sets do!
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Old 04-07-2016, 01:19:09 PM
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Default Re: Jet Turbine Powered Generator

Chinook Helicopter ... it must be large. Got pics??
Going to guess it may be the APU to start the main engines,
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If it's a General electric T-700 I could help you out with some info, I work on them for a living. The biggest thing with turbine engines is proper fuel, keeping the air intake clean and free of any debris, and proper "NO LOAD" warm up and cool down cycles. If the engine has been sitting for a long time the biggest concern I would have is the fuel system. Jet engines that are in storage for longer than 1 month should have the fuel systems drained and purged of fuel with 1010 oil. It helps to preserve the fuel system components and keeps fuel from going bad and gumming up parts.

My advice would be to flush the fuel system, change all the filters and engine oil first. It probably runs on JP-4, just make sure the fuel is clean and free of water. Engine oil should be MIL-L-23699.
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Default Re: Jet Turbine Powered Generator

It's probably a ground power unit, a lot of naval and air force ramp stuff is turbine as well, not just the 'flying things'
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Some years back, a good friend and I got hold of an APU off of a B-52 that was powered by a small (62 hp) Solar Turbine. One thing lead to another and the contraption attached was the result. Eventually added an afterburner system for greater effect. The Chair actually had little thrust but made 20+ feet of flame and lots of noise. We had a hoot!

Our greatest moment was at an air show after the Blue Angles had flown and were taxing by returning home. As they passed, I was sitting in the Chair with a helmet blipping the afterburner. They started pointing and laughing as they passed and #5 banged on his canopy and gave us a big Thumbs Up.

We figured a "Thumbs Up" from Blue meant it was good. We were proud. Click image for larger version

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Default Re: Jet Turbine Powered Generator

@Pegasuspinto

I understand its a ground power cart, I'm in the USAF and we have a 'huffer' or air cart that has a turbine engine. The info I gave is for any and all turbine engines.
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Default Re: Jet Turbine Powered Generator

There were a bunch of them that are 28vdc sold not long ago as well.
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Default Re: Jet Turbine Powered Generator

Cool find. Turbine engines are pretty interesting and a great idea from the start. Yes they take special operating procedures and guzzle fuel but the flip side is that unlike piston engines which have steadily gone down in quality since 1984 or so. Turbines have gotten better and better with time. In fact the only engine I would buy New or built after 84 would be a turbine.

Here's to hoping it runs and makes power as intended
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Default Re: Jet Turbine Powered Generator

When I was young my Dad got his hands on some sort of DC charging system, Milsurp and turbine powered that he thought would make a good machine to boost the diesel fleet on cold winter days.

All I recall of it was it could suck so hard on a steel drum of fuel that the sides collapsed if not vented properly and the heat would melt snow in a huge radius.

Seemed like a good idea, but was not practical to start cold trucks....
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