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I went today to pickup a 1997 Murray 18.5 hp garden tractor from a friend that bought it new. Paper work and all. starter went out and the carb needs cleaning. Good deal,happy to get it. Free.

Well before leaving home I checked the air in my trailer tires. I use this thing all the time,it seldom sits a week without being moved.
Tires looked fine, no weather checking,no cracks.
Coming home on the interstate,I see my trailer rise up off the road and then a thud and the fender is all bent up.
I stop, pull the tread out from around the axle. Tire not flat, spare 40 miles away. Dumb-ass me,but that problem will be taken care of.
Any way,I was 1/2 mile from a exit,tire not flat.
I roll on slow,all seems well enough. I keep a eye on it and drive home 40 miles on the inner layer of tire. It goes flat 30 minutes after I get home.
It is a 10 foot trailer with the 3500 pound axle 10 inches back from center of cargo area.So the weight is well balanced. This trailer with the cargo today might have weighed a ton? So the 14 inch Bridgestones had no clue they weren't on the back of a Toyoda.

I ask about this to help others learn from what happened as well as my self.
There was NO visible problems. Not low on air,had 36 pounds this morning.
No weather checking,no bulges,nothing. I have a class A cdl license and had to do pretrip inspections of my truck every day I was on the job. So i am not totally ignorant on what to look for. This was just a cruising down the interstate and Blam!
What could have happened? Could I have hit something?
Granted,I thanked the Lord for helping me get home without hurting anyone or owing a big repair bill. But at the same time,I want to know what the heck I missed so others can read and chuckle or read and learn so they won't have this happen.I have been towing trailers on the highway about 32 years and thankfully this is the first mishap of this type I have had. So apparently I have been very lucky or doing something right..
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Used to see that quite often on truck tire Re-Treads 35-40+ years ago, but I don't know if you can even buy them anymore. I could be wrong, but I'm thinking they banned them in the early 80s because of all the problems with them.

Only one I ever had come apart like that was a Radial tire on the back right side of my 79 Catalina on the way home from work one day in 2002 or 2003

It separated just like that and without the tread to hold it all in the inner portion grew about 4 inches taller. I was 20 miles from home, and while I Had a spare in the trunk I didn't feel like changing it there on a busy 4 lane so I headed for home at 40mph (with a detour to pick up my mail on the way) and changed it when I got home. It had worn through a couple layers of the cords, but still held air.

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We see it often enough, especially on trailer tires, tread separation. How old is the tire, what brand, is it a Chinese tire? Look at the sidewall, get the last digits of the dot#, this will be the Julian date of build, last numbers will only be on one side. To read it, last two numbers are the year, first two the week of mfg, 2113 would be the 21st week of 2013. Radial trailer tires should be changed after 5 years.
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Run low on pressure or overloaded. It built up heat and spit the tread producing the nice alligators we see on the highways.
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Default Re: What happened exactly to this tire?

I've had trailer tires throw a tread, but never with anything left to hold air.
There are 2 scenarios.....
1) Daytime: Billowing smoke behind me.
2) Nitetime: Lots'o sparks from the steel belts hitting the concrete road.
After much investigation, I found that age determines the life of a tire more than does tread.
A tire can look great....lots'o tread depth, no cracking. But if over 7 years, it won't carry a
full load at 60 MPH. So these days I replace tires after 5 years. Haven't had a problem since,
even with Chinese tires.
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Cheap chinese tire, old tire, or both. Keep in mind that they have found tires on the shelf many, many years old before being sold. Trailers get the worst of them because people think they don't matter...
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I've seen name brand E rated tires do this. even while setting. I believe its an age issue. you got lucky you got home with it.
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Bridgestone is the brand. I will have see if I can find the numbers.
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I had this happen to a tire a few years ago. I took it to the tire dealer and chatted with one of the shop guys who's been there about 40 years. He asked if I had put the tires on the trailer, my answer was yes. He asked were they new or used and I told him used. He asked what they had come off of, I told him my pickup. He asked if I had ever overloaded the truck or run the tires low, I told him no. He asked if the tires were placed in the same rotation as before, what he meant was if a tire was on the drivers side of the truck was it placed on that side of the trailer. I told him I had no idea. He said that was probably my problem. If a tire is placed so that its rotating in a different direction than it was during its placement from new, it could break a belt or suffer tread separation. Since he told me that I've always marked my tires (even taken a soldering iron and made a small arrow on the rubber at the base of the tread above the tire name) to ensure they roll in the same direction their entire life usage. I haven't had a problem since but I can't swear the situation he described is the total answer.
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Tommy, when radials first became popular, mfgs advised to keep tires in the same rotation for maximum mileage. Radials set up a wear pattern and when reversed this pattern is erased and starts again, causing a slight decrease in tire life. The American tires were falling apart due to poor quality, it got blamed on reversing rotation, It's now considered to be OK to reverse rotation and even recommended by mfgs to correct cupping wear patterns.
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Default Re: What happened exactly to this tire?

Have a look at any owners manual in any newer vehicle or rotation guide in any tire shop. They do indeed recommend reversal of rotation on radials.

I have had several trailer tires separate like that over the years. Age has always been the primary suspect. I keep newer tires on my personal trailers, and rarely have problems. Did have one grenade in spectacular fashion last summer though. One year old G rated trailer tire with 60% tread. Tire shop found a bolt sticking out of it. Went low on air and that caused enough heat that the sidewall blew out and was in tatters by the time I got it stopped. Tread had begun to part from the casing also.

For the date code you are looking for a small oval area with a hot stamp. If you find only 3 digits instead of 4, tire was mfg. prior to year 2000
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well I went and looked and danged if I can find a oval. I will see if the tire store can find it when i get them took off in the morning.
I have a new pair of Michlens to go on it so I won't have to buy tires. A friend put 2 tires on his vehicle and his wife crashed it with less than a 100 miles. So he saved the tires and lo and behold the new vehicle used a different size. So the tag is the worse expense I will have to replace.

I looked at the tire on the other side. I had sideswiped a rock with it a few weeks back. No cracks yesterday when i aired up the tires. Cracks today?!what the hello!? Must be age related.I bought them used but they were in nice shape right off a late model car.
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One never knows with tires these days. I bought 4 new 14 ply Sailun tires for one of our trailers, first one went at about 100 miles the next 2 within 3000 miles. The store replaced the first 2, I told them I did not need anymore of them on the 3rd. They gave me some money back sort of like pro-rating. The first one did not even have the molding nubs worn off when it went. The old scabs that I took off my pickup and put on the trailer rims for spares got me home every time. I was 300 to 500 miles out each time. Go figure.
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Thinking of trailer tires I looked at mine. It's an old UHaul I bought back when they would save and sell the frames and axles. Tires are from ~1990 and in great shape but getting weather cracked. So ima thinking time to replace them. Size is the old method, 6.70x15LT

With the plethora of Chin junk in the market, who has a solid recommendation of what to buy. Preferably not chin of course.
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If you have a trailer that seldom gets used you may want to consider bias tires, they last many years and usually don't separate.
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Tommy, when radials first became popular, mfgs advised to keep tires in the same rotation for maximum mileage. Radials set up a wear pattern and when reversed this pattern is erased and starts again, causing a slight decrease in tire life. The American tires were falling apart due to poor quality, it got blamed on reversing rotation, It's now considered to be OK to reverse rotation and even recommended by mfgs to correct cupping wear patterns.
Thanks JB. When I said my situation happened a few years ago, I should have said many years ago, maybe 20 (or more...). The mid 90's doesn't seem that long ago.... until you start thinking about it. I'm glad you told me this. I can quit putting marks on my tires to make sure they always roll in the same direction.
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Thanks JB. When I said my situation happened a few years ago, I should have said many years ago, maybe 20 (or more...). The mid 90's doesn't seem that long ago.... until you start thinking about it. I'm glad you told me this. I can quit putting marks on my tires to make sure they always roll in the same direction.
Early 1980's, my father's car came with Firestone steel belted radials. All was good until the tires were rotated at dealer. Few hundred miles later, he got vibration like out of balance, and I found tread separation. Shortly thereafter, another failed. Back to dealer, who said they cross switched them, as per manual, and took no responsibility. He bought 2 new tires, and then third failed. 4 new tires of another brand. Tire store said failures were caused by reversing direction of tire rotation. They said never cross switch radials, keep on same side of car.

I have been following that advice, and for the next 34 years, would not touch Firestone. Bought 4 about 18 months ago, and am not happy with them.
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That was the Firestone 721 era, more failures that had not been crossed than those that had, it was a piece of trash. Firestone was bought by Bridgestone, quality is up, good tire for the money now.

---------- Post added at 07:54:14 PM ---------- Previous post was at 07:41:32 PM ----------

Just a note, Michelin pioneered the steel tire. The first weren't raidials, before WWII. They wanted to share the technology with American tire mfgs because USA was fighting for them, they refused the help. Michelin has had some problem tires like everyone else, but they are generally the least troublesome tires. While talking about tires let me say that a tire should never be plugged, if done in an emergency, it should be removed and patched from the inside. The inside liner of the tire is the inner tube. When you plug it the glue gets wiped off and the outside is sealed, possibly the plug missed the hole on the inside or the glue didn't seal it. Air escaping the inside can't get out, it will make a bubble somewhere on the tire, separate the tread, or find another outlet. If it finds another outlet, another plug will be placed there, tread separation or another leak occurs. If another leak then another plug is inserted, probably allowing more air out and the tire is thown away because it's trash, all because it wasn't repaired correctly in the first place.
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Thank you J. B. Castagnos for that comment re: plugging tires. I thought I was the last person on the planet that insisted on patching. Tire shops insist that a plug is the best fix and least prone to come back. I can see why this is so. I watched some dufous try to patch a tire of mine (at a tire store, cost a bundle) and I just knew it would fail as he did everything wrong. The worst of it was, he completely and utterly shredded the patch with the little adhesion wheel (or whatever they call it). I'd have pointed this out to him but he was too busy telling me how he was the best tire man in the city for me to get a word in edgewise. The next day I was back. this time I insisted that the other jerk give it a try, since the expert failed so miserably. This guy told me he had The Answer - to put TWO patches on the tire, one on top of the other! Fortunately this time the tire held air. I'll never go back to that store again! I have to admit, after that experience and all the flak I get from my friends, plugs started looking pretty good. But thanks to your comments I will stick with the patches, no matter how many trips to the tire store it takes.
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Google Plug Patch. This is what we use, recommend by tire mfgs. It's a patch with a plug in the center, must be installed from the inside, plug pulled through to the outside. The plug fills the hole and helps keep rocks and water out, the patch seals the hole, keeps air in. The first thing that should be done when patching is to use a liquid buffer-cleaning fluid and a scraper to clean the silicone release agent from the inside. If the tire is buffed before this is done the silicone will be buffed into the rubber and the patch won't stick.
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