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Does anyone know if there is a manufacture date stamped on these tractors?
I don't want to steam clean this one I want to keep it as original as possible. I would know an area to look I would clean that area only.
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From what my Uncle and dad had told me is that my Grandfather had purchased the tractor and separator for $3000 and both were shipped by rail to Sandborn, North Dakota. Then driven to the farm north 6 miles. I really wish I can find out what the manufacture date of this on is.

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I found the patent today on this machine but was wondering if anyone out there has any manuals for these machines?

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To be clear the valentine Brothers patented this machine they did not build it. This is a picture of the logo. I believe it is Minneapolis machine Co. Minneapolis Minnesota.
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Hi Bill,

While I do not have any manuals or catalogs for your tractor, I do have some information on the Imperial Manufacturing Company that built your tractor.

Because of my interest in gasoline engines built in the state of Minnesota, I have great interest in the Valentine Bros. Mfg Co. in Minneapolis that manufactured the "Imperial" gasoline engine. On May 15, 1910, Valentine Bros. Mfg Co. combined with the Shock and Hay Loader Company to form Imperial Manufacturing Company. The products of the combined companies are listed as "Imperial" gasoline traction engines and "Giant" shock loaders. Stockholders are listed as George Towle, S.J. Murton, Alexander Currie, J.J. Dougherty, F.A. Valentine, R.D. Valentine and O.A. Wyman. The first attachment contains the announcement from Farm Implements, Volume 25 dated March 31, 1910.

The next article is a really exciting piece from The Commercial West dated January 31, 1914. It is about the company offering $500,000 in preferred stock to fund its global expansion into Russia and Argentina. The article also mentions the successes of the tractor in Saskatchewan, Alberta, Montana, North Dakota, Louisiana and Texas. There are testimonials from Scott & McLaren from Calgary, Alberta, V. Willson from Virgelli, Montana, H.C. Johnson from Taft, Texas and Baker & Fenton from Fenton, Louisana.

The company is listed as being located at 1611 Central Avenue, Minneapolis. The officers of the company are listed as:

Alex Currie from Candon, ND as President. It states he is a farm implement dealer and owns 3,000 acres of land. He is credited with designing the motor in the Imperial tractor.

I.L. Corse is listed as the VP & Treasurer. He is refereed to as a prominent member of the Minneapolis Chamber of Commerce.

A.E. Morrison is listed as the Secretary.

Walter Gregory is listed as a Director. For 20 years, he was the Northwest manager for the Advance Thresher Company.

George E. Towle is listed as a Director. He is listed as a member of the Towle-Jamieson Investment Company of Minneapolis.

It seemed that they had a very bright future at the beginning of 1914.

An interesting paragraph from Farm Machinery dated February 15, 1916 states:

"The Imperial Machinery Company made their first Imperial tractor in 1908, weighing 20,000 pounds. The present machine is a "40" and sells for $3,400. The machine has not been turned out in large numbers during the demoralized condition of the large tractor market during the last few years."

Note that it states here that they built their first tractor in 1908, yet the Imperial Machinery company was not formed until May 15, 1910. Perhaps the 1908 tractor was a prototype? Maybe the patent you refer to can shed additional information on this? Also, it looks like 1914 was a bad time to expand given that the market for large tractors declined thereafter.

From Farm Implements, Volume 31 dated November 30, 1917, an article mentions that the Stinson Tractor Company of Minneapolis would be moving their 1918 tractor production into the Imperial Machinery Company building at 1611 Central Avenue in Minneapolis. They were forecasting building 300 Stinson tractors for 1918.

The last reference to the Imperial tractor I have found is from Automobile Topics dated May 3, 1919. The article gives a lot of specifics about the size of the tractor. Here is a link:

<a href="https://books.google.com/books?id=6h9aAAAAYAAJ&dq=imperial%2Btractor%2Bminn eapolis&pg=PA1600&ci=50%2C10%2C932%2C653&source=bo okclip"><img src="https://books.google.com/books/content?id=6h9aAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA1600&img=1&zoom=3&hl= en&sig=ACfU3U0ZqX9Pc2SZBYH9OkfXqWE5l-_DKg&ci=50%2C10%2C932%2C653&edge=0"/></a>

It looks like they were still in business after that, but I have not found any references to the tractor after 1919.
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To be clear the valentine Brothers patented this machine they did not build it. This is a picture of the logo. I believe it is Minneapolis machine Co. Minneapolis Minnesota.
Hi Bill,

I believe the logo you refer to is for Imperial Machinery Company. It looks to me like there is an "I" and a "M" in the center with the "c" and "o" for company. Having written that, I do not have any evidence as to what company actual manufactured the Imperial tractor. Imperial Machinery Company had many products and could have used their facility at 1611 Central Avenue to manufacture those. However, a couple of the articles I read did state that Imperial did manufacture the tractor. That could also be misleading as some companies did not like to reveal that they outsourced the manufacturing of their products.
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The factory was still standing a couple years ago. I talked to the lady that has the antique shop in it now. They also built Stinson tractors here and others.

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I have 90% of one that spent its life near Webster SD and a bunch of extra parts. It will be a good story for another day.

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Good to hear it will get back together. Always a pleasure to see your projects completed the lack of parts you start with sometimes.

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Bill, do you still have the separator that was shipped with the tractor? I'm curious to the size and manufacturer.

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Bill, do you still have the separator that was shipped with the tractor? I'm curious to the size and manufacturer.

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No the separator from what i remember was scraped out in the 70's. I wished we could have kept it together. Don't even have a photo that i can find from our old photos but still researching.

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Hi Bill,

While I do not have any manuals or catalogs for your tractor, I do have some information on the Imperial Manufacturing Company that built your tractor.

Because of my interest in gasoline engines built in the state of Minnesota, I have great interest in the Valentine Bros. Mfg Co. in Minneapolis that manufactured the "Imperial" gasoline engine. On May 15, 1910, Valentine Bros. Mfg Co. combined with the Shock and Hay Loader Company to form Imperial Manufacturing Company. The products of the combined companies are listed as "Imperial" gasoline traction engines and "Giant" shock loaders. Stockholders are listed as George Towle, S.J. Murton, Alexander Currie, J.J. Dougherty, F.A. Valentine, R.D. Valentine and O.A. Wyman. The first attachment contains the announcement from Farm Implements, Volume 25 dated March 31, 1910.

The next article is a really exciting piece from The Commercial West dated January 31, 1914. It is about the company offering $500,000 in preferred stock to fund its global expansion into Russia and Argentina. The article also mentions the successes of the tractor in Saskatchewan, Alberta, Montana, North Dakota, Louisiana and Texas. There are testimonials from Scott & McLaren from Calgary, Alberta, V. Willson from Virgelli, Montana, H.C. Johnson from Taft, Texas and Baker & Fenton from Fenton, Louisana.

The company is listed as being located at 1611 Central Avenue, Minneapolis. The officers of the company are listed as:

Alex Currie from Candon, ND as President. It states he is a farm implement dealer and owns 3,000 acres of land. He is credited with designing the motor in the Imperial tractor.

I.L. Corse is listed as the VP & Treasurer. He is refereed to as a prominent member of the Minneapolis Chamber of Commerce.

A.E. Morrison is listed as the Secretary.

Walter Gregory is listed as a Director. For 20 years, he was the Northwest manager for the Advance Thresher Company.

George E. Towle is listed as a Director. He is listed as a member of the Towle-Jamieson Investment Company of Minneapolis.

It seemed that they had a very bright future at the beginning of 1914.

An interesting paragraph from Farm Machinery dated February 15, 1916 states:

"The Imperial Machinery Company made their first Imperial tractor in 1908, weighing 20,000 pounds. The present machine is a "40" and sells for $3,400. The machine has not been turned out in large numbers during the demoralized condition of the large tractor market during the last few years."

Note that it states here that they built their first tractor in 1908, yet the Imperial Machinery company was not formed until May 15, 1910. Perhaps the 1908 tractor was a prototype? Maybe the patent you refer to can shed additional information on this? Also, it looks like 1914 was a bad time to expand given that the market for large tractors declined thereafter.

From Farm Implements, Volume 31 dated November 30, 1917, an article mentions that the Stinson Tractor Company of Minneapolis would be moving their 1918 tractor production into the Imperial Machinery Company building at 1611 Central Avenue in Minneapolis. They were forecasting building 300 Stinson tractors for 1918.

The last reference to the Imperial tractor I have found is from Automobile Topics dated May 3, 1919. The article gives a lot of specifics about the size of the tractor. Here is a link:

<a href="https://books.google.com/books?id=6h9aAAAAYAAJ&dq=imperial%2Btractor%2Bminn eapolis&pg=PA1600&ci=50%2C10%2C932%2C653&source=bo okclip"><img src="https://books.google.com/books/content?id=6h9aAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA1600&img=1&zoom=3&hl= en&sig=ACfU3U0ZqX9Pc2SZBYH9OkfXqWE5l-_DKg&ci=50%2C10%2C932%2C653&edge=0"/></a>

It looks like they were still in business after that, but I have not found any references to the tractor after 1919.
This is what i have found on the patent.
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Maybe this patent i had found is not the same tractor?
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