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The French Amsterdammer, The Horsesleigh from the Golden Age 1682


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Thanks Al,,,,,,,,

Going further.


Mid Under Section of the Amsterdammer,

Now we are going to study an new part.


This is the part that gos under the main seat.
This part is having Lion leggs.


The bow statue of this Sleigh is the Griffon.

The Griffon is an ancient fabulous animal in half lion and half bird.

In this frame you see already 4 Lion leggs coming up on every corner.
These Lion leggs are the connection of the main seat towards the ancient thin wooden gliders with the S bent iron on the back of the seat.


Next the first glimps of the main upper section.
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The back stearn mirror of the Amsterdammer

Ok now we finaly can have an first look at the back mirror of the Amsterdammer,


And the first ancient scene started to show up.

First scene an Nobilian men gives flowers towards an lady with her helpster surround by sheeps.
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Back and side section of the Amsterdammer,

Picture 1 an better view on the rear image.


Picture 2 notice the ancient golden curled bend leave.


Pictures 3 and 4 side image.

An lady sits under an tree.
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More side sections of the Amsterdammer,

Other side,

Another lady sits also under an tree,


The restauration of these paintings wil take each one month.

The damage spots wil be infilled as much with the original old paint.


Side instep panels have been changed in the years but wil be brought back original as possible
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Front section Amsterdammer horse sleigh,

Pictures 3, 4 and 5 are the front panel of the Amsterdammer,

An sheperd vizit an Nobilian Lady with his sheeps.

The green on the corners was original black.

The hole sleigh was the real leaves gold from top till under section.
This wil be brought back.


Next an watch inside and the bow statue.......


More to come,
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Posting this also for our horse collecting friends.

There is to short time to upload today because had to post another thread.


https://www.smokstak.com/forum/showt...=1#post1342042

Tomorrow going further here and think most of you understand after the item we found last week....
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Going further,

Here is an painting in the office of Jaap,
Posting this one for Mike Rock and know that he likes these images.
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Inside the main seat of the Amsterdammer,

Here is an watch inside the seat,

Now the first thing what we notice in this that the back of the seat does not had clothing because that is also golden wood and cutting work,

So only the seat had clothing with the frontboard towards the feet arround the lock and maby deep in the front section.
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Inside the Mainseat II,

Here is another watch inside the mainseat.

The Amsterdammer is bigger then the Sjeesarr because here you can sit with 3 persons next to each other in compair to the 2 persons of the Sjeesarr.

There was an lot 2 horses placed in frond of an Amsterdammer in compair to the one in front of the Sjeesarr.


Now picture nr. 4 in this chapter is very intresting because there are rest materials to find of what once was the clothing.

All we know that the clothing was red.

Most classical colours towards the Amsterdammer is that the hole sleigh was gold with an red seat.

Now with the Red clothing we can go 2 directions.

We can start searching for an red silk clothing with an gold patrone in it.

The other option is capitoneer the seat with all the red cloting parts inclunding the front feet board.


Now had already this in discus with Jaap.
Because there is no clothing in the rear of the seat it is better to use only the capitoneer system other wise it woult be looking to busy.
Mention the sleigh wil already one huge golden explotion.
So there has to be some resting in the clothing.

Might going to use an very light red clothing in this one.


On the blue looking colour of the front seat was once the red clothing hidding.
And the green looking on the side was original black.

The hole sleigh wil be on the end gold, deep black and red clothing (most ancient colours with in try to keep the light crackle in the ancient paint work.
The heavy crackle paintings wil be infilled and restored.

So Jaap has an major work to do on the Sleigh.

Next the Griffon bow statue,
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The Griffin Bow Statue of the Amsterdammer,

Before we are going to post the bowstatue of this Amsterdammer first some introducion and story about the legendairy Griffin Animal.


The story of the Griffin starts in Egypt and Iran,
It was already to find as an simbole and monogram in the old piramides of the Farao’s 3 thousends years before Christ.

The Griffon is half Bird and half Lion.

The halfs Bird stands for the sky and the half Lion representives the land.
It is an increddible Majestic ancient animal and it give somekind of warn out do not come to close or back off......


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griffin



About the Griffon there are 2 versions in existance.

One is the Eagle head Griffin (most Early Version)
Picture one in this chapter.





The other is the Lion Head Griffin (late version/Empire style version)


Now the Griffin is everywhere to find in western Europe as an ancient symbole like on the ancient handmade wall carpets in the Louvres Paris and the Rijksmuseum at Amsterdam.

When Napoleon came in power he started to change the Griffin from Bird head until Lion head this was brough in with the Empire style.

The best thing to study this is go watch the trone of Napoleon.
On the arms of the trone/chair of Napoleon there is very good to see the change of the head towards the Lion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C53JuuL3wyI&t=30s


The Amstedammer that we hve found does not have the Lion head Griffin but the Eagle head (most early ancient version).

Tomorrow we are going to study the Griffin bowstatue belonged towards the Amsterdammer.

An big warn to everybody before this.
The bowstatue Griffin is damaged.
Her from leggs are broken off and gone and the nose is broken off and gone.
But it wil all be restored and brought back how it was....
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The Griffin Bow Statue of the Amsterdammer Horse Sleigh,

Ok and here are the first images of the bowstatue belonged to the Amsterdammer.

Now you all can see that Jaap is working on the Griffin.

The Eagle nose is broken off an gone including the front leggs and also long deep holes in the face of the beast....

Now the little black parts are not going to fitt on.

Jaap is only make them as start points for the bigger original parts.

This gos also for the front leggs that are missing.

The way Jaap works is that he start with carton and paper.
Then later he used all kinds of triplex.
And on the end he takes the original stumps of wood.

This is only some front playing and the long black tong that wil also not wil come there on on the end.

Griffins do not have an long tong....

This Griffin beast is the most biggest bow statue sleigh in compair then all our other horse sleighs...

And the gold wil be brought back on this one aswel.


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The Griffin Bow Statue of the Amsterdammer Horse Sleigh II,



Ok here are some more pictures of the Griffin,

Like i told before the black parts wil not come on the Griffin.
This is only some mall playing because the real eagle nose and leggs wil bigger and be brought back how they once where with the leave gold on top.



Next the end conclusion before the restauration starts............
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This Amsterdammer Horse Sleigh the oldest styled horse Sleigh of Europe or the hole World ?????????,



Ok now i am realy start to walk on an thin line..............




You all have seen the parts now of this Amsterdammer sleigh that was found on an old castle in France an year ago.


You also have seen the most importand models of the Amsterdammer horse sleigh that dit survive in the hole world including the royal family’s in France, Belgium and Holland.


Now i am sure that some Smokstakers started to wonder now how can we date this sleigh towards 1682.....!


Now i have taken an rough and save date 1682.
The first thing why i have done this is the way of the cutting of the woodwork in the leggs towards the gliders and that is almost the same as one of the most oldest horse sleighs of Europe the Amsterdammer of 1682 in the Leek collection to see on chapter 12 in this thread.

But this mark is not the most biggest thing or evidence ?.



This biggest evidence that we can date this sleigh towards 1682 or before is the seat system !.

This Amsterdammer horse sleigh is have something that all the other Amsterdammers do not have !.

Take an very good look at picture 2 and 3 chapter 29.
There you can watch inside the main seat.
Now if you very good look in side the mainseat then you can see that the sleigh does not had clothing in the back for back support and in the side for side body confort.
There is curled beautiful cutting wood work to see with the gold gos downwards until the bottom of the seat.

Now the first carriages in Holland 16 and begin 17 century dit also not had an clothing in the back part of the seat to have confort on your back.
This was also wood in that time.
The back clothing in the seat was something that came later.

Looking at all of this then it woult not be an surprise for me and Jaap that this Amsterdammer was buld way before 1682.

It coult even be made in the first part of the golden age 1588 till 1647 and even under Rembrandt 1606 till 1669 because i do not now anywhere an horsesleigh in the world having such an early seat system.

The Amsterdammers are the first styled horse sleighs in the world so it is no wonder that in the Versailles, Paris in France they place the Amsterdammer in an glass showcase.

Now there coult be an horse sleigh in the world older then 1700 but they dit not realy had style.

Quiet sure now that the restauration of this sleigh in 2017 wil one of the most oldest horse sleighs in the world.

An sleigh that wil be an explotion on the ice with all her gold from top to bottom with deep ancient black in the wood work and with an fabulous flat red seat in it.

Going to lett you all think about this and if anybody of the viewers in the world know an more early styled sleigh then this one then let us know.



Until so far the story of this sleigh and the uploading of the parts.


The restauration of this sleigh wil take an year and we hope to have it finish Christmas 2017.

Will try to keep you all up to date about this.

In the meantime we are going further with the Napoleon Bonaparte sleigh and restauration.

Thanks for the intrest and wish you all an merry horsestuff Christmas and an happy horsestuff 2017.




There is an old saying in Holland.

People with horses and horsestuff live in the heaven on earth.
But when they passes away there is nothing to inherit.

Wel ill keep it to the first line of the old saying.

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Nice challenging project. A wonder that it is still around and in restorable condition. Is there any weakening from wood worms at all?
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Thanks Ed and glad that you have found this thread.....

I can not find woodworms in this one.
There was some to find in the Napoleon sleigh but that was from changed wood on the floor in the past.

Realy have an feeling now that this is an one of an kind horse sleigh specialy to her age and condition.

Never woult have expected that these kind of sleighs still hidding somewhere as an wreck on an old attick
And specialy in the wrecks i have notice are the biggest treasuries hidding.

It is also very intresting that nobody does this kind of hobby overhere.
So we search in corners where almost nobody come and it is always an surprise what kind of things showed up sometimes.


Keep follow this story in 2017.
Sure there is something special come out in this.

Soon go further with the Napoleon sleigh.
This restauration is an little bit running out and wil be arround januari when it glides fully restored on Smokstak.

Keep in touch,

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Ok going to pull this up because have found 2 stumblin videos of old Christmas ancient painting winter images taken in an before the Golden Age (17 century) in the once so big nr 1 horseleigh and skate country in the world.....

Again best healthy and wishes to everybody in the New Year and and may 2017 run out to the horse sleighs year of all years.




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