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Fuller and Johnson Pump Jack Engine


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Old 01-01-2017, 12:59:03 PM
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Hi all Happy New Year.
Starting to re build a F & J pump jack Engine and found that it has a grease cup or something similar missing of the Big End of the Connecting rod (Piston Rod). I have looked all over the place and seen cups or a plug arrangement. Can anyone help please. Or if someone has one or know where I can get one from. Regards Richard (UK)
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The connecting rod did not use a normal grease cup.

There was a flat "puck" with two holes drilled in it screwed into the threaded boss in the side of the connecting rod. The boss was filled with grease and the puck screwed in to push the grease into the bearing.

The two holes in the puck were to insert a pin spanner to turn the puck with.

Later models used a drilled crank shaft and a left hand threaded grease cup in the end of the crankshaft to grease the rod bearing.

In place of the puck I have seen several with a modern zerk fitting installed in the boss for greasing the con rod.

Good Luck with your project.

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Thanks Mike I will look into it.
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Hi Mike I hope all is well. I had quite a break from working on the engine and the more I took it apart the more needed fixing so I gave it a rest for a bit as work and life generally got in the way. Back onto it now and have taken the con rod off and find that it is fitted with one white metal half shell bearing and one brass half shell and a lot of wafer thin shims. The brass/copper tube is missing from the big end to the gudgeon (wrist) pin and as you pointed out the big end grease Puck is missing so as it turns out not to bad as it has a later grease cup on the Crankshaft. But of course when you push the grease down the Crankshaft it comes out of where the puck Gould be and also where the copper pipe should be fitted. Long story short do you know if the big end shells fitted where as standard or has someone just put them in as they had rotated and covered the grease hole ?.
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Hi There

Thanks for the pictures,

I think I will have to babbitt mine.

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Hi Richard,

As the pictures show, that con rod should have a poured babbit bearing on both halves. I'll take a look and see if I have any photos of the last one i poured for a farm pump. If I do i'll post them for you.

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Hi Mike

Thanks for that, as you can see from the picture attached someone has put shells in, also the copper or brass pipe from the main to the small end is missing. I am constructing something at the moment to get the Gib key out to get the flywheel off and so I can get the crank out and send it away to have the crank ground and new White metal bearings made for it along with the two crank bearings.

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Pulling the flywheel was a heavy duty job. I used my big-ass bench vice and a chisel...

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Hi Harry

I have one problem above all else, that is someone has broken the end of the key off flush with the crank, so it is just a piece of square rod with nothing to get hold off, I will have to see if I can fabricate something together and weld it up and see if I can use a slide hammer. I also have looked through your write up and am trying to copy your idea for the water pump, it is a Red Jacket and originally had a long shaft to a deep well, so I have honed it out to about 76mm and have bought a plunger for a 75mm pump, I have rebuilt everything else and made a new Stainless Steel shaft for it, I have just got to double check my measurements and try to see if it will work, that is after I have re built the engine, as the more I took it apart the more I found bodge jobs on it. Someone had put shell bearings in the big end and they had rotated and covered up the grease hole, the small end was shot as there was no pipe going to the small end, and a lot of other stuff in-between. It wouldn’t be fun if it was straight forward would it.

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