Antique Engines and Old Iron
[Home] - [HELP] - [Forums] - [Library] - [Photo Gallery] - [Groups] - [Classified Ads] - [Subscribe] - [Links] - [Books] - [Sponsors] -

Go Back   SmokStak > SmokStak® Old Iron and Tractor Community > Horse Drawn Equipment
Forgot Password? Join Us!

Notices

Horse Drawn Equipment Old iron designed for the purpose of hitching up to a horse or a team. This old iron machinery may be used or demonstrated while hooked to an old iron tractor too.

Horse Drawn Equipment

Napoleon Bonaparte Horse Sleigh from 1803/1815


this thread has 58 replies and has been viewed 4963 times

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #31  
Old 12-18-2016, 06:58:46 AM
Brothers Clemens's Avatar
Brothers Clemens Brothers Clemens is offline
Subscriber
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Haarlemmermeer, Lisserbroek, Netherlands
Posts: 6,412
Thanks: 13,321
Thanked 18,869 Times in 4,321 Posts
Default Re: Napoleon Bonaparte Horse Sleigh from 1803/1815

The most wel known Napoleon/Empire style simbole,



Here i have for the watchers an picture of an brass tag from an very old clock.
In the brass you can see one of the most well known figure simbole of the Napoleon Empire style....

It is the vase with the flame on top and surround with the blankets or drawn curtans.

Posting this for all the Smokstakers so that can can understand that there was once an flame hidding on top of the vase bowstatue of the Napoleon horse sleigh.....


Somekind the same as an Olympic flame.
And this flame wil finaly coming back in the restauration......


More to come,
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	002.jpg
Views:	23
Size:	160.3 KB
ID:	270492  
Reply With Quote
The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to Brothers Clemens For This Post:
Sponsored Links
  #32  
Old 12-19-2016, 01:57:22 PM
Brothers Clemens's Avatar
Brothers Clemens Brothers Clemens is offline
Subscriber
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Haarlemmermeer, Lisserbroek, Netherlands
Posts: 6,412
Thanks: 13,321
Thanked 18,869 Times in 4,321 Posts
Default Re: Napoleon Bonaparte Horse Sleigh from 1803/1815

Going further more restauration updates,


Picture 1.

First the old steel undersection.
You can see there is somekind of old painted flower to see on the flat O spot.
That is not original.
From origine there belonged tin or brass little plates in the flower/star decoration in the empire style
They have been yused somekind of plaster with an small flower painted on it.
This wil be replaced towards the original.

Now there is something more to see on this picture.
Taken an very good look towards the paintwork.
You can see that parts of the paint are fall off and under the paint is the original paint hidding (the most dark green colour close to black paint.)

This is also under the red of the gliders.
Like i told before this sleigh is going to have 4 colours on the end in ancient look.


And that wil be.

The dark green.(for the main chair outside)
The more most dark green/close to black for the gilders and the undersection.
The light green for the clothing and painted inside the chair.
And the real leave gold for on the lines on the gliders, the vase with flame, the brass or tin decoration shields, acanthus lleave, drawn curtans etc etc.


Picture 2 and 3.
The underside of the stagecoach seat.
Notice the Napoleon Acanthus leave is also there to find.

We are going to use an high or short fringe under it so that the acantus leave that wil be leave gold aswel and to see much as possible on the end.



Picture 4.

The seat under plate on top of the coal box have been changed because the old one was to rot to sit on.
The old clothing have been taken out and wil be changed by the light green.
The seat not going to have the capitoneer system.
This was not happening under Napoleon Empire style.
The Napoleon Empire style are straigh lines.
This is going to happen in this seat aswel only in the bend lines of the glothing we are going to lay small golden ropes in the style of Napoleon his green living room...

More to come,
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	063.jpg
Views:	23
Size:	110.9 KB
ID:	270596   Click image for larger version

Name:	103.jpg
Views:	26
Size:	97.2 KB
ID:	270597   Click image for larger version

Name:	104.jpg
Views:	23
Size:	87.2 KB
ID:	270598   Click image for larger version

Name:	105.jpg
Views:	24
Size:	82.5 KB
ID:	270599  

Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Brothers Clemens For This Post:
  #33  
Old 12-20-2016, 01:59:03 PM
Brothers Clemens's Avatar
Brothers Clemens Brothers Clemens is offline
Subscriber
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Haarlemmermeer, Lisserbroek, Netherlands
Posts: 6,412
Thanks: 13,321
Thanked 18,869 Times in 4,321 Posts
Default Re: Napoleon Bonaparte Horse Sleigh from 1803/1815

Last updates Napoleon Horse Sleigh,

Ok here are some last updates from half way restauration.


Picture 1.

I yust want to show this towards everybody on the horse chanel of Smokstak because this is an very intresting early child horse item.

This is what we called an way before the war German child horse doll house.

It was made before the War in Germany by an old child toy factory.
Jaap has it compleat including the wooden wagons and an small line of wooden horses.
The wagons and horses are under restauration but when it is finished it wil be awesome thing/item,


Picture 2.

Jaap is working in the front section to fix the large holes.
Sure the glue rest wil he takes away.
We are going to leave the other leather in the sides with the old rivets they wil only be repaint in the light colour how it is now to give the sleigh some shell look when you watch inside.


Picture 3.

The new floor in the coal box.

Picture 4.

An last sharp view.


Ok until so far.

What is next.

I do not know execly when the sleigh wil be finished.
It coult be some weeks or month.

I wil Phone Jaap with Christmas how he is doing.


As soon i know something about the end restauration and arriving i wil let you know.

Want to thank everybody.

And keep an eye on this horse chanel in the next coople weeks / month.

Wish you all an Merry Christmas and an Healthy and Happy New Year,

Here is for everybody Sleigh Ride from LeRoy Anderson.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDRFmn_KqfA
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	075.jpg
Views:	30
Size:	120.3 KB
ID:	270664   Click image for larger version

Name:	121.jpg
Views:	28
Size:	75.9 KB
ID:	270665   Click image for larger version

Name:	117.jpg
Views:	29
Size:	137.3 KB
ID:	270666   Click image for larger version

Name:	116.jpg
Views:	29
Size:	129.8 KB
ID:	270667  

Reply With Quote
The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to Brothers Clemens For This Post:
  #34  
Old 01-05-2017, 10:55:56 AM
Brothers Clemens's Avatar
Brothers Clemens Brothers Clemens is offline
Subscriber
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Haarlemmermeer, Lisserbroek, Netherlands
Posts: 6,412
Thanks: 13,321
Thanked 18,869 Times in 4,321 Posts
Default Re: Napoleon Bonaparte Horse Sleigh from 1803/1815

Yust had Jaap on the Phone,

He still have his thought that the sleigh wil be finish on the end of this month.

Next week he wil be standing on the big Royal Friesian horse show fair with an own carriage and sleigh stand.
They continude the work on the sleigh and the last 2 week of January Jaap wil personal finish the sleigh.

Jaap told it wil be turned in to an real golden green Throne an Ice Throne made under Napoleon......



Keep you all informed......

---------- Post added at 03:55:56 PM ---------- Previous post was at 03:52:08 PM ----------

Here is the show where Jaap on wil be standing next week and there are horse sleighs and carriages from Jaap in action on the video.......




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MElXZPjv7Y
Reply With Quote
The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to Brothers Clemens For This Post:
  #35  
Old 01-23-2017, 02:44:05 PM
Brothers Clemens's Avatar
Brothers Clemens Brothers Clemens is offline
Subscriber
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Haarlemmermeer, Lisserbroek, Netherlands
Posts: 6,412
Thanks: 13,321
Thanked 18,869 Times in 4,321 Posts
Default Re: Napoleon Bonaparte Horse Sleigh from 1803/1815

Latest brandnew updates in this story and restauration.


Yust had Jaap on the Phone because was expecting some new pictures.

Jaap his voice was not good and he has been more then an week sick.
He had the flue sinds the end of the Friesian fair and jaap think that he talked with an lot of people and they must have given it towards him.

But now he is fixing up again and started to work on the Napoleon again.

The end restauration is running 2 more weeks extra out now and now it wil be half or the thirth week of next february.

This happened more with other sleigh restauration so i am an little used towards it.
For me this is no problem because i do not have to work or use the sleigh real soon.
Jaap is an real craftmenship person that never must be pushed to much and also because i realy want to have an super restauration (not half restauration).


He was exiting because this afternoon he had an team Canadians to talk about the restauration of an North American sleigh.
Jaap has done more restauretions from North America including the horse sleigh of Dan Brown from the Da Vincy story and writer.

He also have been informed about an farm and country magazine that want to write an article about him for next Christmas 2017.

An lot things on his way towards him.

So story of this sleigh still continude and going to run 2 till 3 weeks longer.


Keep you all up to date and informed....

When there is news to tell we are coming in with Breaking News...
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Brothers Clemens For This Post:
  #36  
Old 02-20-2017, 03:12:03 PM
Brothers Clemens's Avatar
Brothers Clemens Brothers Clemens is offline
Subscriber
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Haarlemmermeer, Lisserbroek, Netherlands
Posts: 6,412
Thanks: 13,321
Thanked 18,869 Times in 4,321 Posts
Exclamation Re: Napoleon Bonaparte Horse Sleigh from 1803/1815

Going to pull this up for some updates.


I have been phoned Jaap this afternoon.
Jaap is still laying on scedule to finish Napoleon next week.

Only he wants to make an combination in his trip to bring Napoleon.
There is an tip that there is an child pony sjeesarr sleigh (same as the child carriage model old Queen Wilhelmina 1885) hidding in the south of Holland.
It is an WestFriesian model most rich design from the old Holland.
In the early days the Province North Holland was called West Friesia because it was laying in the west of Friesia but in the north of the old Holland.


It seems the undersection is not original anymore but can be brought back how it once was in 1885 when Queen Wilhelmina was an little girl with her pony.

If it is realy what it is that it is realy an one of an kind child sleigh because never heart of an second one in existance exept the carriage version of Queen Wilhelmina

Queen Wilhelimina was realy an pony and horse nut and born in the right time with no car traffic yet on the old streets in the old Holland and only horses.

To see in 22 seconds in the next video standing next to her pony when she was an little girl.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TT-GgrMwSzM

She had an Westfriesian pony sjeesarr carriage that still exist and that was given by the people of Holland in 1885.


Now Jaap is have to plan an trip somewhere not this week but next week after this week to make an combination of and vizit to the Westfriesian child pony sjeesarr sleigh and maby pick it up and then drive to the west of Holland bring Napoleon and watch and study the Westfriesian child pony sjeearr.


Jaap is phone on the end of this week to talk about the last small details items of the Napoleon sleigh.

So tention is running up.


Keep you all informed and more details wil follow next weekend or the week after next weekend.........
Reply With Quote
The Following 6 Users Say Thank You to Brothers Clemens For This Post:
  #37  
Old 02-27-2017, 01:56:58 PM
Brothers Clemens's Avatar
Brothers Clemens Brothers Clemens is offline
Subscriber
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Haarlemmermeer, Lisserbroek, Netherlands
Posts: 6,412
Thanks: 13,321
Thanked 18,869 Times in 4,321 Posts
Smile Re: Napoleon Bonaparte Horse Sleigh from 1803/1815

Breaking news !,

Napoleon wil be ready on the end of this week.

Jaap is doing the last finishing touches in the next coople days.

I have talked on the Phone with Jaap and he is planing an date and trip with an lot shippings on Wednesday The 8 of march 2017.

It is an rought date but if nothing went wrong then on this date something realy special going to show up here on the horse chanel of Smokstak.

Something that almost not exist anymore.
Mention an horse sleigh that was made in the time of brothers Napoleon and Louis Napoleon Bonaparte more then 200 years ago.
An horse sleigh in the style of Napoleon and Louis Napoleon Bonaparte and how the liked it called the Empire style with toughs and copy of the same style you coult see in the piramdes at Egypt and the Farao‘s...

Going to ask the smokstaker to put this date the Wednesday The 8 of March 2017 in all of your agendas...


Going to bring already an coople video’s in about Napoleon to bring you all in the mood.

If there was never an Napoleon Bonaparte then there woult never be an Louis Napoleon Bonaparte and if there was not and Napoleon then there woult never have been an Empire style.
And if there never was the Empire style that there woult never have been an horse sleigh that now soon is going to be showed up here...........



We going to start up with an video of all the battles of Napoleon Bonaparte where it all started including the first battle at Toulon 1793 where Napoleon lost his HMS Lutine ship one of the most beautiful sail ships made in that time and that was later sunked full with gold in front of the Dutch coast.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vawyqPVdlvw&t=120s





Vida la Vida an tribute towards Napoleon,



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yB-Z6xkyJS4




Conquest of Paradise


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5p_fplluZ8&t=123s




Going to say to all the Smokstakers the item that is going to be showed up here next week wil be our nr 1 bring in item for 2017 !.

Napoleon is on his way towards Smokstak !.

Last edited by Brothers Clemens; 02-27-2017 at 02:07:18 PM.
Reply With Quote
The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to Brothers Clemens For This Post:
  #38  
Old 03-03-2017, 02:26:51 PM
Brothers Clemens's Avatar
Brothers Clemens Brothers Clemens is offline
Subscriber
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Haarlemmermeer, Lisserbroek, Netherlands
Posts: 6,412
Thanks: 13,321
Thanked 18,869 Times in 4,321 Posts
Thumbs up Re: Napoleon Bonaparte Horse Sleigh from 1803/1815

Yust new updates coming in,

The arriving of Napoleon wil not be on Wednesday the 8 of march 2017 but one day later Thursday the 9th of March 2017

This is because the pick up of the little Rich farmer model Queen Wilhelmina pony sleigh has to be one day later.

With these kind of things it is always very difficult to bring all the vizit lines of the trip together.

So one day delay for the arriving of Napoleon.


More updates on this very special horse sleigh project.


There are 2 sites now paying attention towards this one of an kind horse sleigh.
The Europeans are also start to follow this on an another horse and carriage internet site.

There is an lot intrest overhere aswel because most European horse nut people have never seen an Napoleon sleigh aswel.
Lots of thanks and lots of Emails towards Jaap with the same question is this horse sleigh for sale.
Never had so much intrest in an horse sleigh restauration before then this one.

Napoleon wil not first to see in Europe.
The primeur wil be the first on Smokstak

Then about the last details of the restauration (the finishing touch).

First post an coople more pictures taken more then 3 weeks ago.

Picture 1 and 2 are the undersection.
Napoleon was in realy bad condition when she was found more then an year ago on the old attick in the south of Holland.
It is an miracle that it dit survived because it was for decades in trow away condition.
The last owner dit not knew what it was and only told that it had some nice decorated wood cutting work.



Napoleon was under the woodworms.
Jaap had dubble and an incredible lot of work on this to kill the worms and eggs but also fill the holes.
Take an look at pictures 1 an 2 where Jaap is infilling the tiny worm holes also in the undersection.


On picture 3 and 4 also taken 3 weeks ago there is Jaap working on the front bow section.
The under part of the accanthus leave that Napoleon had in his coat and hair crown when he became emperor of France was partly broken off and gone aswel.

Jaap also made an new part section for this one aswel.



At the moment Napoleon is finished compleat on the outside of the sleigh.
It is having all the old 2 dark green colours back with an lot golden empire style decorations.

The last work is now on the light green cloting in the chair.
Because that is always the last thing done in the restaurations of horse sleighs.
An clothing chair specialist is doing this work at the moment.
The 5 panels in the back with the cusion wil be brought back how it once was.


We have asket Jaap with out see picture yet what he think of the end result.

He told the sleigh is more beautiful turned out that i woult ever had expect....


You all me know thinking about this that we all started to be very nervus of what is going to be turned out in this next thursday.

And you all may know that the exitement start to turn up to one of the most highest levels overhere...


Post another video for all the horse nut collectors.

This is an very old scene out of and very old famoust North American movie called Casablaca.
Ingrid Bergman and Humphrey Bogard playing an head role in this movie.

On one moment they are started the sing La Marchellaise thru the other song.
Sure Napoleon must have listen an lot towards this song aswel.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOO9GsiMb1g

Here are the British people aswel in follow.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWemV6TiUZE


Keep you all informed,
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	1 a.jpg
Views:	26
Size:	38.9 KB
ID:	276410   Click image for larger version

Name:	1b.jpg
Views:	24
Size:	88.2 KB
ID:	276411   Click image for larger version

Name:	1a.jpg
Views:	25
Size:	34.7 KB
ID:	276412   Click image for larger version

Name:	1c.jpg
Views:	27
Size:	68.0 KB
ID:	276413  


Last edited by Brothers Clemens; 03-04-2017 at 02:36:19 AM.
Reply With Quote
The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to Brothers Clemens For This Post:
  #39  
Old 03-06-2017, 08:18:44 AM
Brothers Clemens's Avatar
Brothers Clemens Brothers Clemens is offline
Subscriber
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Haarlemmermeer, Lisserbroek, Netherlands
Posts: 6,412
Thanks: 13,321
Thanked 18,869 Times in 4,321 Posts
Thumbs up Re: Napoleon Bonaparte Horse Sleigh from 1803/1815

Yust had Jaap on the Phone,

The green moss clothing is in the seat and they are now working on the stagecoach seat on the back.

It is very importand that the acanthus leave under that seat stays visible.

The flame on top of the Empire vase from bow wil be real gold.

So everything still lays an scedule for next thursday.....

Keep you all informed....
Reply With Quote
The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to Brothers Clemens For This Post:
  #40  
Old 03-07-2017, 10:09:52 PM
Oilpulled Oilpulled is offline
Subscriber
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Rockford, Illinois, USA
Posts: 3,919
Thanks: 10,675
Thanked 5,479 Times in 2,099 Posts
Default Re: Napoleon Bonaparte Horse Sleigh from 1803/1815

I'm looking forward to seeing the Napoleon. I like your including the history of your Queens and of Napoleon.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Oilpulled For This Post:
Reply


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

F o r u m Jump

Similar Threads Chosen at Random
Thread Thread Starter F o r u m Replies Last Post
Horse Sleigh Riding in the Golden Age Brothers Clemens Horse Drawn Equipment 0 06-15-2016 07:59:51 AM
Have been Bullding a Little Horse Sleigh Palace Brothers Clemens Horse Drawn Equipment 45 04-15-2016 02:00:18 PM
Le Secret La Unicorn, Horse Sleigh from 1800 Brothers Clemens Horse Drawn Equipment 27 10-02-2015 02:44:03 PM
19 Century Dutch Horse Sleigh Lady Cape Brothers Clemens Horse Drawn Equipment 1 06-23-2015 03:16:17 PM
One Horse Sleigh/Cutter Value Craig A Horse Drawn Equipment 3 11-29-2012 04:15:05 PM


Use "Ctrl" mouse wheel to change screen size.
All times are GMT -4. The time now is 01:28:26 PM.

Smokstak and Enginads site search!


All use is subject to our TERMS OF SERVICE
SMOKSTAK® is a Registered Trade Mark - A Community of Antique Engine Enthusiasts
Copyright © 2000 - 2016 by Harry Matthews P.O. Box 5612 - Sarasota, FL 34277