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Hanomag AR38 with D52 Engine


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Old 11-27-2015, 06:44:46 PM
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We are amid language barriers and out of stock parts in the restoration of this Hanomag tractor. With Benoit Christiaen's help, we found Theopold Tractor Parts because Hans Heinrich Munk does not have the glow plugs. Unfortunately, there is no picture on the website for the glow plug we believe we need. Here is a picture of the tractor and the glow plugs. The "replacement" plug is BERU stamped 6 volt; TYP 171 (which is it's kilowatt rating.) We checked out their parts catalogs and found nothing that would appear to fit. The thread is 1" x 14 thread pitch.

Staged Photo inside is from Dragone Auctioneers website. Doesn't she look pretty?

We hope some Stakker out there has the connection to help us get the restoration of this beautiful machine back on track.
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Hello Retrofitt88,

The glowplugs you are looking for are Beru 171W
Every now and than they pop op on ebay for sale but they are rare and only used for these engines and where only made by hanomag and beru.
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Default Re: Hanomag AR38 with D52 Engine

With a 1 inch thread you have the option of making a threaded bush and use a modern glow plug, of which there is many options available, I have a 2 cylinder Deutz tractor that I did this to and it works perfectly. You only have to find the right voltage and reach.
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Hi Retrofit88,

You can find 3 of them on Ebay in Germany.

http://www.ebay.de/itm/Beru-Bosch-Gl...AAAOSwMTZWROZQ
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with this one you would have four:
http://www.ebay.de/itm/Beru-Gluhkerz...IAAOSwEeFVMoPB
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With a 1 inch thread you have the option of making a threaded bush and use a modern glow plug, of which there is many options available, I have a 2 cylinder Deutz tractor that I did this to and it works perfectly. You only have to find the right voltage and reach.
This is a great suggestion. Thank you all so much for your help.
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Its a great very original tractor, very hard to find in this condition. Most of these tractors where converted into rubber tires. It also still has the double battery tray, one for the 6 volt battery for the glowing system ( the beru 171w's are 6 volt) and a 12 volt battery for starting. That would mean you have a 12 volt generator with a risistor for the 6 volt battery.

For the glowplugs you could also use Bosch 0 250 002 004 or KE/GA2/4 These are the original replacement for the beru 171w and easier to find. The old glowplugs are easy to modify to make the new ones fit
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Hello and good evening, my name is Joaquim Deu and be Girona (Cataluña) SPAIN.
Congratulations on the tractor Hanomag AR38, very original and hard to find.
I have tractor Hanomag RD 36 del año 1931 I am now restoring.
My tractor bring the horse in front, I'm looking for information and I find horse.
Anyone know the history of horse ?

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Here send some photos of the tractor.
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Hello Joaquim,

your pictures are not visible.

The horse is the heraldic animal of the city of Hannover, where the Hanomags were build.
I think you mean this horse in front of the radiator:
http://pictures.tractorfan.nl/groot/...nd-hanomag.jpg

The horse was only on the first rd36, yours from 1931 is from the first production year.
My AGR38 has a later front plate.

Try to contact theopold-parts:
info(et)theopold-parts.de
replace the (ed) in the line above with an @.
Theopold knows the pre-war Hanomags very well, sells many parts and might find a way for you to get the horse back.

kind regards,
Fabian
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Hello Joaquim,

your pictures are not visible.

The horse is the heraldic animal of the city of Hannover, where the Hanomags were build.
I think you mean this horse in front of the radiator:
http://pictures.tractorfan.nl/groot/...nd-hanomag.jpg

The horse was only on the first rd36, yours from 1931 is from the first production year.
My AGR38 has a later front plate.

Try to contact theopold-parts:
info(et)theopold-parts.de
replace the (ed) in the line above with an @.
Theopold knows the pre-war Hanomags very well, sells many parts and might find a way for you to get the horse back.

kind regards,
Fabian
Dear Fabian,
I found the glow plugs two different times, so now we have ONE spare glow plug. The Hanomag glow plugs had a porcelain washer. The BERU 171W that came out of the Hanomag does not. We don't know if it ever ran with the BERU 171W plug intact. We were able to get the wiring diagram for another tractor that has two six volt batteries. We are looking for a resistor to make sure we don't kill the new glow plugs. We were wondering if you can take close up pictures of your tractor from the other side. Also, if anyone out there has insight about wiring this tractor, we'll appreciate any guidance you are able to provide.
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It also still has the double battery tray, one for the 6 volt battery for the glowing system ( the beru 171w's are 6 volt) and a 12 volt battery for starting. That would mean you have a 12 volt generator with a risistor for the 6 volt battery.
That is wrong.

There were two 6V batteries on this original battery tray used on the engines with a electric starter. On the panel under the fuel tank, facing to the engine, there was a switch mounted to convert the 6V system to a 12V system for starting.
The starter in these tractors ran on 12V.

Some RD36 and later the AR38 had a smaller battery tray. They were prepared for a single 6V battery, only for lighting and glowing.

I will search for wiring plans and will try to take some pictures. Somewhere might be one of the 6V/12V switchers around here I can use for pictures. Might take a week or two.

Kind regards,
Fabian
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https://youtu.be/tjrmoYVBKNA

Hannah was running last Thursday. What a great Christmas gift.
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Nikki congratiulations with the running of Hannah,

In the early days of collecting we also had an Hannah,
It was an more light model.
We had some problems with the engine and the one of us had an airblower on the side.
It was an strange noise and the noise looked the same as an duck car.

We trade the one of us 20 years ago near an old French tractor import men in the south of Holland for an coople cases.



I have heart some story’s from you that you where looking some info about the tractor like an owners manual.

In the place called Duiven close to Arnhem there was alway one of the most biggest and oldest Hannah dealers of Europe hidding called Jansen.

20 years ago we been there an coople times for parts.
They had an big counter with 5 or 7 men behind it to help.

I have been looking on the internet for you and it looks the company still exist.

You can try there aswel to look for some more info.

http://www.jansenduiven.nl/pages/




Have been more in this place because in the early days of collecting we also had an tractor friend that had shets full of old tractors imported from France.
He had family that worked in the 60’s and 70’s traveling with an circus thru France.

The friend passed away and the tractors are sold.

Thanks for sharing your Hannah story,

Chris,
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You have all been so good to us over time helping us find information and sharing your stories. We had a gentleman from South Africa come and visit the tractor barns on 12/29/16. His daughter and son-in-law are avid Meat Shop customers and asked that Dudley venture to the barn on the cold winter day. Dudley was in a meeting when they arrived early, so I took the trio to Barn 2 since that's where the foreign tractors live, the most Prairie Tractors, the steamers, etc.. When he came around the Yuba Ball Tread, he almost came unglued with excitement to see Hannah parked in the center aisle.

His ancestors worked for Hanomag and he is sending us a German-language Hanomag book that he is certain will help with the final adjustments to keep her running well. Dudley and Fritz stood out there talking in that barn, with the cold radiating off the steel out there, like they had known each other for years. It has been a long journey that we would not be able to undertake without the generous feedback we have received on this site. We feel like everything happens for a reason and in its own time. Thank you all for your graciousness. Happy New Year!
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Hi there,

my first visit to the stack for months and first I saw was your PM so I started looking for this thread and the video link.
It is running very great!

I think your fellow will send you this book:
http://www.schwungrad-versand.de/fir...uchsvolle.html
It is the best and the only book to work on this engine with. It would have been my source for the wiring diagrams for you, but having the book yourself would be easier.

I made some pictures of the switch to turn it from 6V to 12V for starting. Hope to find time during the next days to load them up here.

Kind regards,
Fabian
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Hello Fabian,

Here's the partslist for the startingsystem. It is with one 12 volt battery.
I have never seen one with two 6 volt batteries for starting. You also would not need a small and a big batterytray if you have two of the same 6 volt battery's.
As you can see the alternator is also 12 volt.
If you find the wiring plan let me now, i have not found it yet.

Greetings,
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Hello Pim,

in the book I postet the link of above there are several different wiring plans.

If you have one 6V battery, you need the small battery tray. If you have two 6V ones, you need the big one which contains a larger flange on the left side of the transmission, in the area of the engraved transmission number. That number also shows the original ratio of the gearbox, symbolized by the letter.

Did we meet at Nordhorn in February at Johanns with Richard? Or last year in August?

Kind regards,
Fabian

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I also have one double 6v-tray around here, I dont know whether it was on a R40 oder RL20 as these two tractors ran on the farm I got it from.
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It is a small world Fabian,
Yes we did meet there

The wiring diagram:
"24volt anlage mit anlasser fur hanomag diesel raupen und radschlepper"
is the closest to what was original on this tractor but then with one 12 volt battery in this case.
Don't ask me why they made it so complicated
Not everything is in the books
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Hello Pim,

it was you who gave me the mail adress for the tow tractor of our JD combine, wasn´t it? Just to get your face back in mind.
I have to admit that I lost the sheet of paper somewhere here at home. Could have happened that we would have met yesterday, but some things prevented me from driving towards Spelle. Have you been succesful?

Most about the battery trays on the 36/38er Hanomags I learned from Cord, we talked several times while standing beside my AGR38.
So I think you might know the Hanomags better than me, I did not work that much on them.

Kind regards,
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