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Alternative Fuels An energy source alternative to using fossil fuels. Materials or substances that can be used as a fuel, other than conventional fuels. Waste oils, vegetable oils or animal fats, which can be used alone, or blended with fossil fuels.

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Ethanol gas production environmental pollution


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Old 11-14-2013, 04:20:07 PM
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The government does not agree with this.

Engines hurt damaged
- yes Environment hurt
- yes Uses lots of fresh water
- yes Engines loose mpg up to 10% less
- yes net energy only breakeven
- maybe And all for an ideology of using less conventional energy because it is renewable.

EDIT: CBS Pulled the story!
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I'd hate for it to get around that CBS got something technical right...but they did.

It has been obvious to many from the start that this ethanol push was a poorly thought out idea w/ little technical merit and no free market support, but lots of "feel good" potential for some.

I'm very glad that someone in CBS woke up and has effectively said "The Emperor has no clothes."
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Beware of The Law of Unintended Consequences.

Guvmint is one of the biggest invokers of the above law.

They never learn.

They never do anything right and while doing so, spend inordinately large sums of taxpayer's money.

Did I mention that Guvmint never does anything right?

Oh, yes - Guvmint never does anything right.

Of one thing you can be assured. Guvmint does everything wrong.

I think I need to add that all that wrong stuff costs a lot of taxpayer's money.

I think I'll take a nap.
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But CBS and the AP didn't get any of it right, except for the fact that there is more corn grown there than before the ethanol boom. I grew up in that area and am distantly related to the farmer that was interviewed in the AP story.
There has always been corn grown on those hills in southern Iowa. However, in 1986 or so, the government started paying farmers for not growing corn. A lot of land was put in the CRP. I think Wayne Co, IA had more land in CRP than any other counties. Now people are mad that the government is paying farmers for not growing corn, so the 2008 farm bill removed funding for nearly 7 million acres of CRP ground. What do you expect farmers to do? When you quit paying them for CRP they still have to make money. The only solution is to put the land back into corn - just like the 70s and 80s. Ethanol had nothing to do with this. It is just people trying to make money using the assets that they own. There were a bunch of other lies in the story as well:
http://www.fuelsamerica.org/blog/ent...ong-on-ethanol

Even the farmer interviewed in the original AP story disputes the quotes of him that were taken out of context:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ub7GWbf18c

So if growing corn is badly hurting the environment, what do you want? Does everyone think that fracking is the environmentally responsible thing to do? Maybe we can just buy oil from a bunch of terrorists that would just as soon kill us after taking our money.

What do you want a farmer to do to make money? He doesn't make money by just watching weeds grown on his land?
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Finally some sense, they want to reduce ethanol use in gasoline.

http://fuelfix.com/blog/2013/11/15/e...-requirements/

BLEND WALL! is a big problem.
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I kind of like E85. I can make way more HP on E85 than I can gasoline . It's far cheaper than the 100LL my '64dodge requires, and I can push the ignition advance even farther resulting in about another 40hp. I can also run larger shots of nitrous. The economy suffers, but this is a 413... economic it's never been. It should also be noted that it was a great bracket racing fuel. Cars made far more consistent ETs on it. Till the NHRA ban it's use in bracket racing. The next step for me is switching to pure Methanol or Ethanol. Which ever is cheaper.

I don't see why you guys hate the fuel so much. It's power in a drum.
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with that e85 how much lower is your MPG?
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with that e85 how much lower is your MPG?
I don't really measure it... I probably go from 12-14mpg to 10mpg. It's a big block mopar with a massive cam and lots of compression. If I'm worried about the cost of fuel, I get my bicycle out.

It's simple math to determine how much more fuel you use. Ethanol's energy content per gallon is much lower than gasoline. On the upside it burns clean and has better detonation resistence. On the downside, synthetic oils only, which isn't a down for me since I only ever run 15w-50 mobile one full synthetic anyway.
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Finally some sense, they want to reduce ethanol use in gasoline.

http://fuelfix.com/blog/2013/11/15/e...-requirements/

BLEND WALL! is a big problem.
The blend wall is self inflicted by the oil companies. All they need to do is allow their retailers to sell E15 and E85 and suddenly there is no blend wall. People will buy E15 if it is available. That has been proven several times. Just ask any of the gas station owners that install E15 pumps.
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30 years ago in North Dakota we had ethanol gas but I do not recall the %. I do not recall it having the short shelf life we are now seeing.

The alternative to ethanol is MTBE. The gas giants can make the noxious stuff without paying money to farmers.

They have motivation to make us hate ethanol... it is working.

---------- Post added at 11:14 PM ---------- Previous post was at 11:07 PM ----------

Forgot to mention.

We are too high for the gov to allow our filling stations to sell non ethanol gas. But I can get it an hour away and buy 5 gallons of the premium high octane non Ethanol every month or two for my small engines. When I remember I use stabil in it too. I am also putting fuel shut offs on most everything so I can run the carbs dry on stuff I don't use often.
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