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Old 07-22-2014, 10:26:39 AM
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Many years ago as a small child my Dad bought me a used Empire steam engine toy...I inadvertently traded it off to a kid and my Dad blew his top..never felt right so as an adult felt I'd "make amends" by replacing the engine I'd traded off...I got to get rid of E bay!! This is worse than the flywheel engine disease which also struck our household
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Old 07-22-2014, 10:31:09 AM
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Old 07-22-2014, 10:39:07 AM
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You are not alone! In my case, my older brother claimed that it was his.
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Old 07-22-2014, 01:42:46 PM
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WARNING - Small iron disease can be worse than collecting big iron! More nooks and crannies to stuff small engines in. My dad gave me a mamod oscillating engine for a birthday present. The first thing I did was to take it apart to see how it worked (boiler didn't fare so well) He was really mad for about a week, when I showed him that I had re-configured the engine and boiler to fit in a model paddle wheel boat I had designed my self. He wasn't so mad then, but complained that I was using too many Esbit (fuel) tablets! To remedy that I re-designed the boiler heating tray to accept a big wad of cotton dryer waste, and then used denatured alcohol for fuel. I still have the boat and engine!
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Old 07-22-2014, 11:24:27 PM
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LOL yep first sign of the addiction coming back LOL I still got my old Wisco (sp) from a xmas present in the early 60,s might have to dig that out one day, I think I lost the little valve that shuts it off though, Mom didnt like the smell of the tablets that fueled it in the house!! I think if I remember it was made in Germany... And I wanted the little dynamo and other neat stuff that you could run with it , money was to tight back then, would have been a good investment though for the prices they go for....
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Old 07-24-2014, 04:36:57 PM
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So tell me Mr Kern, how many more do you need to complete the whole set? Very impressive so far. Was there a catalog they printed?
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Old 07-24-2014, 10:17:43 PM
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Thanks for the compliment...There is a collector of Empire engines (won't tip his info) that got wind of my collection and spend quite a bit of time talking and cataloging things and with the exception of 3 Empires and a few others they are part of his collection..he claims to have the entire line from before they were Empire through the end of their production.. At one point I has over 130 engines and related accessories and believe I had all but one of the prototype engines (one showed up on Ebay about 4 or 5 years ago and I bid way more than it was worth...and someone else wanted it more so they got it. There were many variations of the basic model numbers through the years and it was difficult to keep up...I had a complete catalog of all the engines and accessories and it also included Metalware's line of child toys...little girls kitchen appliances like ovens, stoves, etc...Metalware was a huge toy maker...check Ebay for Empire engines and Metalware corp toys...they are on there a lot...folks are going nuts with asking prices and the stuff doesn't sell...example...the true going price for a really nice model 43 steam engine (the most often seen one) is normally about $100 for a good one in running condition...E bay sellers are asking #150-200 starting bids and they just sit over and over...a twin which is the rarest of the steam engines recently sold for over $800 which was amazing..and no guarantee it worked...My twin shown in the pictures was original, working and near mint...I paid something like $300 for it and when it sold as part of the collection we figured it at $450 which was a bunch...$800 is nuts. The ferris wheel and the windmill/pump jack are the most desirable of the toys and I always felt my "hot air" engine (in my pics..it has the fins) was the rarest of the rare...only seen one other besides the one I had..it was the cornerstone of the collection I sold off.

There is a catalog around for Metalware toys...they show on E bay now and then...there were several collectors and parts sources that were around for years but I think they have either died off or just not involved any more...don't know of any Empire parts or information outlets any more.
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Thanks for the info. I noticed the hot air and had never seen one before. I know Weeden also made one (also electric) but again pretty rare.

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So it looks like your dad is still SOL.
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So it looks like your dad is still SOL.
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I would =love= to be able to reproduce that Empire transmission that's on the shelf with the windmill and ferris wheel. I'm putting together a carnival display and trying to gear everything down from the speed that these things run is proving to be an issue.

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I would =love= to be able to reproduce that Empire transmission that's on the shelf with the windmill and ferris wheel. I'm putting together a carnival display and trying to gear everything down from the speed that these things run is proving to be an issue.

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Not to hijack the thread, but a lot has to do with the engine you are using. Multiple lineshafts is sometimes the best way to do it.
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I would =love= to be able to reproduce that Empire transmission that's on the shelf with the windmill and ferris wheel. I'm putting together a carnival display and trying to gear everything down from the speed that these things run is proving to be an issue.

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Those speed reducers come on the e bay listings often...they are not particularly rare but are very pricy because folks want to run the accessories...I've seen many bring more than $100 which is a ton for a few little pulley wheels and shafts..all in what the market will bear.

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Thanks for the info. I noticed the hot air and had never seen one before. I know Weeden also made one (also electric) but again pretty rare.

Alan
Here's a pic of the air engine running..I was scared to death to run it the first time...they are so rare and just can't be repaired but checked things as best I could and just took a shot....it ran absolutely like new...ran perfectly...didn't try to even clean it up....just breathed a sigh of relief and put it back on the shelf...
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Nice collection. I use to have many Empire steam engines but I am now down to 2.
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Nice lot there, they are a very sturdy engine with a nice "chuff"
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Do you know where I can find a sight glass and the fittings for a B-30?

I'm having a dickens of a time locating any parts for this thing.
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You got a weird flu bug and there has not been any research to prevent it from becoming a chronic addiction.

Only way to feel better is to buy another one.
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LOL All you guys are lucky .the first time that I ever saw one was in the fifth grade . I thought the guy was rich to be able to have one .He brought an up right steam engine it was a Jensen . I always wanted one but Dad couldn't afford it . He was double amputee from Korea and a damn good m=echanic and machine man . I got mine when I was grown and even build them . Like he said if I want one I would have to get it myself . I now have about twenty and I am 62 years old . Even though I can bearly afford them I do have that cronic disease . My lathe is a 1932 South Bend and milling is a rebuilt after thrown in the trash Grizzley . I show them regularly at Pioneer park in Zolfo Springs Florida along with my hit n miss and other small engines . Can't afford to go past Flywheelers in Ft Meade Florida .I miss my Dad and all that he taught me and wanted me to have but couldn't . See you all at the show in January Ft Meade swap meet .
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This is another addiction that follows this great hobby of collecting and preserving things of our past. Could be they were things we could not have as kids, who knows. Just having fun at 72.
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