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Old 05-12-2016, 06:10:15 PM
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Let me say that I've enjoyed meeting Mike and helping him along. He's a great guy and an asset to our hobby. We built a die to reproduce the early style wheel lugs which we both needed. (me more than him) These were pressed out of 1/4 inch steel and not an easy task. The reproductions came out looking exactly like the originals. I'm anxious to see some of the more recent pictures of the project. Mike, I still don't have my transmission back together!
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In an even later iteration, this engine was even built with a ring gear and electric start.
Here is a short video of the electric start version. Nice sounding engine!



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j03cINumszI

Twin City must of got about 3 decades worth of sales out of this basic engine design. I think the first were for sale in 1910. This one is tagged as a Minneapolis -Moline.
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The bull gears on these early models bolt to the hubs, but also bolt by brackets to the wheels. These early gears weren't used long. They were replaced by a stouter set up quickly in production.

Pic 1...one of the bull gears collected for the project. We didn't use this one due to the large crack. Fortunately we had three to choose from.

Pic 2...the tab that attaches to the framework.

Pic 3...How most of the tabs looked.

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Pic 1...The gear being fixed at Lange's machine shop in Minnesota. Jason had posted this picture in another thread. We had gotten them to him at Rollag and he did a great job in repairing them.

Pic 2...The gears back at the shop and good as new. We think that the pour wasn't a good design originally as the metal, per Jason, had been quite crystalized by the time it got to filling those tabs. This resulted in an inherently weak spot. On the bright side, there wasn't much wear at all on the gearing... probably because they all broke too soon to wear much!

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In continuing on with the wheels, these are pictures of the wheels we had to work with.

Pics 1 and 2...the original two wheels.

Pic 3...some of the lugs on the originals

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We were fortunate to find 2 additional wheels on separate trips to Gary Biewers' in Barnesville, MN. You never know what will be in his lot.

Pics 1 and 2...A nearly pristine "late style" round spoked wheel. Someone had previously welded plates over each hole in the rim.

Pic 2...A second wheel. This is an earlier round spoked wheel. The cleats are at more of a 30 degree angle where as the later one's cleats are at a 45. The later ones also had a reinforcing bar on either side whereas the early one did not. We couldn't be too picky.

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Mike...It seems like kind of a flimsy way to mount a bull gear on a wheel especially those flat irons that are suppose to apply the torque to the wheel band. One must bear in mind that these rear wheels were engineered in 1910 and the design ended up too light for the stresses that were encountered in the field. Rumely had similar rear wheel problems on their early OilPull E's.

Those early rear wheels really don't seem heavy enough for plowing but that's what they got used for.

1. Close up of the wheel construction on the early round spoke wheels. Note the flat wheel band with no edge reinforcements.
2. Later flat spoke rear wheel detail. Much stouter!
3-4. Plowing scenes with the early TC-40's.
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So we were now in better shape with the wheels, but we had other problems: if you think through the brackets visible in the first picture, we had two right hand wheels and no left. We had a third wheel with a different cleat pattern.

In early pictures, extension rims have either the 45 degree cleats or horizontal cleats.

We decided we would have to reverse one wheel and use the real early one for extension rims.

We picked the rougher of the two 45 degree wheels to reverse, as we would have to drill new holes and countersink them anyway.

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One rim had to have the holes re-drilled through the welded plates. The countersinks were okay. Its cleats were in good shape.

The rim that had to be reversed also had a lot of rotten cleats on it. In the later style rims, the cleats were held on by 2 bolts. The early cleats were held on by 4 rivets each. We cut off the brackets on this wheel, then cut off the rotten cleats. Of course all of the rivets then had to be drilled out. This resulted in many days with my dad and I manning a mag drill and making holes.

Given the offsets of the spokes, one extension had to have it's holes reversed as well.

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As Mike stated there are some differences in the extension rims used on the early round spoked rear wheels. Here are a couple of pictures to illustrate the 2 extension rim lug patterns available on the early 40's. The horizontal lugs were the first pattern and were matched with the early 30 degree wheels. The 45 degree wheel bands are of heavier construction with reinforced edges. The extensions for these wheels have the lugs placed at 45 degree angles to match. I'm sure some mixing and matching of parts happened as the years went by.

Mike...What kind of guide did you use when you split the wheel band? Use a plasma cutter?
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