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An brandnew horse sleigh thread today.

Have given this thread an green arrow because there is something realy special going to show up here on the North American Smokstak site.
Something that not very often showed up in the horse stuff world.


This year it is 2016.

2016 it is more then 200 years ago that Napoleon Bonaparte was defeadet during and at the battle at Waterloo.

Not many things dit survived from that time.

Was an year ago at the Rijksmuseum in Amsterdam.

In this Rijksmuseum there is one hall/Room deticated towards Napoleon.
And in this hall there are 2 gigantic old paintings hanging.
And an cabinet taken from the cariage of Napoleon with 2 pistols from him.


About the paintings.
One painting is Napoleon Bonaparte the other is Lodewijk Napoleon (Louis).
Now most of you know only one Napoleon but for the people of Holland there where 2 Napoleons.

Napoleon Bonaparte was an dictator and an murderer.
You place him in the list of Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini, Franko Etc Etc.

Only there is only one difference.
Napoleon is still always under attention mention everybody knew him and people have mixtured feelings about him.

Now why is that.

Think because of his Brother and also called as the good Napoleon.

Now coming later back on this subject but first an coople pictures.


Picture one and two the old paintings hanging in the hall of the Rijksmuseum in Amsterdam.


Picture 3.
The arriving of Napoleon Bonaparte at Amsterdam in 1811

Picture 4. the Summer Palace of Lodewijk Napoleon in Haarlem Holland when Lodewijk became the first king of Holland,
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Default Re: Napoleon Bonaparte Empire Style Horse Sleigh from 1803/1815

Coming back on the main subject,

Not many things dit survived from this time.
Even not many horse sleighs.

From the offcial report only 2 horse sleighs dit survived.

How dus an Napoleon Horse Sleigh Look.......


An Napoleon horse sleigh was made in the style of Napoleon.

Mention there colour was green with gold.
Same as the living room of Napoleon.

They where decorated with oak/acanthus leave and having an bottle/urn vase standing on the front section as bow statue with an small flame coming out.

Some had an special bridge under the seat with airholes from the coal box.

And golden blankets hanging on or arround the seat and all in the old French Empire Style.


Going to show you both survivors.

One was owned by the Schimmelpennicks (friends of the Royal family) and the other one was owned by the Goldstikker family.
One of the biggest Jewish art collectors from before war in Europe.



Until now only 2 ones showed up.

But that is going to change soon because we have found the wrek of nr. 3....
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Here are the colours of Napoleon Bonaparte because this was his hall and his living room.

Much more to come.
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Do you have photos of No.3 yet?
This is going to be good!! Jaap going to do the work on it?
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Do you have photos of No.3 yet?
This is going to be good!! Jaap going to do the work on it?
Yes Mike,

We have the pictures of Nr. 3.
And soon we are going to post it here aswel.

We bought the sleigh and Jaap is going to restore to here glory from 200 years ago made under Napoleon.

It wil be finished here next winter.

Keep follow this,

Soon the wrek of the sleigh wil show up.

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Ok and here she is.

Now i am going to let the Smokstakers think about the style of the wrek of this fabulous sleigh....

Sleigh have been standing for decades on an old attick.

Looks like kids have been playing with it because it is having lots of damage like broken of gierlandes, panels decorations.

Gladly most important parts dit survived.

Chair is full of woodworm and the clothing is gone.

We are not sure that the red belongs there because foot planks where mostly black and there is some green hidding under the red but we have to find further out.

Napoleon had green with straight lines with and lot of gold lines and dark black colours on hook lines.

On the iron work of the under section there belongs tin golden rosetes.

The coal box floor is gone aswel as the other gierlandes on the other sides.


Stil some of the Napoleon oak acathus leaf to see.

Getting almost tears in my eyes the condition of this sleigh,

It is been waiting for more then 150 till 200 years that someone start to save it for the future generations.


These kind sleighs are realy in danger.
If somebody wil not stop the woodworm it wil be gone forever.
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Some pictures are not sharp in all the exitement.

But some are.
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The front section bow urn-vase statue is having pearl inlay corners but the flame is gone on top.

Flame must have been damage in the past and then been cut off.

It wil all been brought back how it realy was 200 years ago under Napoleon and in the Empire Style,


Notice the very beautiful oak-acanthus leaf and the gierlande decorations.


I am sure that after restauration with wil be looking on an realy georgeos ice horse throne.
Or an little ancient ice ship out of late 18 begin 19 century.

Going to let the Smokstakers think about this find.

Coming later back on it.
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Thanks Chris

What a great find!! Thank you for taking the time to make it whole again and sharing the process with us.


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I am tingling all over as I view these pictures.
A 100 year old iron tractor, no big deal.
A 200 year old wood furniture kept inside is, amazing.
But, a 200 year old ornate wood outdoor sleigh, miraculous!
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Thanks Al and Sunnybrook and Mike,

Ok when there is time left i wil start to write here.


The restauration on this sleigh wil going to take until next Christmas or winter.
So we have to take some patience


Going to post an coople historical chapters in this story.

The chapters wil be :

The Ship the Lutine (Le lutine).

The Good Napoleon (Louis Napoleon)

Napoleon in America.

Personal family farmers artifact about Napoleon.


There is some information that is not to find on the internet.
In the past there have been some not realy nice behavoure from Holland and France towards Louis Napoleon (the Good Napoleon)
It looks they realy have been busy to wipe out him out from the history books.


I am going to post some stunning shapters about him here like.

He was constantly argume with his brother.

He wanted to be trading with England.

He was abandon by everybody including his own wife.

The Dutch destroided his monument that he had given to the people of Leiden after the city gunpowder blast.

So when there is some time to write we wil start writing here.
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I had Jaap on the Phone this morning,

He is laying on scedule with the restauration on this amazing Ice horse sleigh.

He realy found an darker green under the red of the under section.

So the red doesn’t belong on this sleigh.

We are going to have 3 green colours on this sleigh.

The light green with golden ropes in missing clothing of the chair.

The dark green that is now original on the outside of the chair.

And the most old dark/black green to replace the red on the gliders but also coming on the iron of the under section from the chair towards the gliders.

And all will be have real leave golden lines on the side corners of the chair and coal box and handles.
There wil also going to be come golden lines on the gliders.




Some updates from the work that Jaap has done until now.


The woodworm has been killed with the eggs aswel.

All the golden gierlandes that are missing and broken off are made again in original condition.

He is also making an new flame on the Empire front bow vase/bottle that is missing.

With the golden rosettes that are gone on the frame.

We are planning an trip begin december towards Jaap to watch the progress and to make pictures.

We also going to watch the new sleigh (The golden age sleigh from 1682).
I have already pictures of this one but want to make more and better pictures to post it here in the horse chanel.
In the mean time i wil start up some historical story chapters in this amazing horse sleigh find.

So the scedule is go further here in the next weeks to place some story’s in this thread.
In two weeks (begin december) going to Jaap his restauration shop for taking lots of more pictures.
And wil start an new thread here about the other sleigh begin December.

Then in December and Christmas we are here with 2 fabulous horse ice sleigh restaurations threads here on the horse chanel of Smokstak.

The Ice horse throne of Napoleon Bonaparte Empire style the finish restauration and how it realy have looked in her glory years 1803/1815.

And the new horse sleigh wrek find from the golden age.

I am sure there is something realy amazing going to show up here !.

Keep you all informed,
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Historical chapters,


Ok want to lay some historical chapters in the horse sleigh restauration.

We are going to start up with the HMS Lutine.

HMS Lutine,

Now if you start ask people in the world what was one of the most beautiful ships ever buld ?.

Most of the people start to name Titanic.
For the people of the province North Holland in Holland there is another name coming up and that wil be the HMS Lutine.

The Lutine was buld in in the year 1779 Toulon France and was one of the most beautiful French flags ships ever buld.

In the year 1793 it came in the French revolution in the involvement of Napleon Bonaparte.
16 of those French ships with crew including the Lutine walked over towards the British admerality Lord Hood.
From that time the 16 French ships sailed under the British flag.

In the year 1799 the Lutine sailed with an cargo full with gold from England towards Hamburg Germany.
When it sailed in front of Holland an huge storm came up and the hole ship sunk in front of coast of the Province North Holland and the small island Terschelling.
Only an coople of the crew of 270 people dit survived.
Most of the crew where buried in the sand behind the lighthouse.

Shortly after this treagedy all kinds fishermen ships sailed above the wrek with illigal dive up some of the gold.

In the year 1800 serius dive attempts where done with cables.
The first time they found for 500 thousend guldens of gold.

In later attempts they found this again.

After that all kind of dive systems where brought in from cast iron diving bells where the diver coult walk on the seafloor, from an vacumcleaner system until an hole sandsuck ship.

The story until now is that not all the gold have been taken out an still an large part must be down there.

In the year 1858 the ship bell was found including an lot of canons.

The canons went toward the City/Rijks museum in Amsterdam and Winsor Castle the Queen of England.

The ship bell of the Lutine went towards world biggest ship Insurance company Loyds in Londen where it hangs in the central hall dome.
It wil only be ringing on special occations like memorial days and the funeral of Sir Winston Churchil.


Here are some pictures of one of the most amazing ships in the world the beautiful HMS Lutine with here golden back mirror.



Picture one :
The HMS Lutine in the storm in front of the Dutch coast where it sunk not far from us.

Picture two :
Diving attempts towards the Lutine.



Picture three and four :
The Lutine bell hanging in the dome of the central hall of Loyds in London.



The HMS Lutine stands for the begin of the Napoleon time.
The time for the Empire style and the time this fabulous horse sleigh was buld.


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Thanks for the updates and Pictures. Can't wait to see the sleigh when Jaap is done!!


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Thanks Al,

Glad that you like it......

Wel in the meantime until begin December when we are going to watch Jaap his progress i will go further with posting some more historical chapters towards this sleigh.

The Lutine story is to find on the internet aswel.
But the next chapter is on large amouth not to find on the internet.
It looks that the historians in the past realy have try to cover this one away.

Wel i think it shoult been told and it gives an way other thought that most people have about Napoleon or the French.

So keep follow,


The first King of Holland Lodewijk/Louis Napoleon,


Like i told before Napoleon Bonaparte was an murderred and dictator.
But behind this Napoleon there is another Napoleon hidding.

This Napoleon is the Brother Louis Napoleon.

On an evening in june 1806 and small carriage arrived in the old Holland with on board Louis Napoleon with his wife Constance and there 2 children.

In 1806 Holland was an republic with the orange family as city holders.
The Oranges left Holland when this was happening and on there way to Germany.
When the French carriage arrived there where almost no bridges to cross the rivers.
So it must be an very long difficult trip with water, mud, sand and bad roads.

When they arrived on that evening in June there where no people waving with flags along the route.
Suddenly in the darknes an huge house showed up with windows.
This was the early spot of the later became Palace of Queen Beatrix called "Huis den Bosch" in the Hague.
When they went there they went right to bed because it was to late.
In the early morning Contance when out of here bed to watch the Palace and became very disappointed.
It was not an Versailles but an small house in her eyes with only 3 windows on the front.

An day later they went to the parlement in the Hague to talk with new people.

Louis Napoleon was an way other person then his older brother Bonaparte.
He dit the same militairy academy then his brother but he was always walking in the shadow of his brother.

His character was also compleet different.
He was an very sensitive person and close to romantic.
His brother sended him to Holland to set out the lines and rase tax for France.

Louis Napoleon had an way different thought about this.
He wanted to be the perfect King.
Not only for him self but also for his people (the people in Holland).

The first thing he notice here that there was most one front religion here and he told everybody shoult have his or her own religion how he or she wants.
He started to trade things with mony and other things and people does not have to hide enymore in cheltar churches.



The biggest thing happend on 12 januari 1807,
Above the Hague there lays another city called Leiden the birth place of Rembrandt.
On 12 januari 1807 and gunpowder ship was moored in the old center of Leiden.
Suddenly an small fire causes an imense explotion.
This blast was so big that it was to hear in an large part of Holland including the Hague and the damage was gigantic because the hole hart of the city of Leiden was gone and the ship anchore of the gunpowder ship was was laying outside the city walls.

Louis Napoleon was in the Hague when he heart the blast.
There was not long thinking and he took fast action by saddle his horses and bring an small army of men together.
When he arrived on the damage spot he started to give orders and rewards to find living victems.



Picture 1 :

The arriving and first help from Louis Napoleon and his workers and the city gunpowder blast spot in the center of the old city of Leiden.

With the video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uc7-YpIOehk

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Going further,

After this gunpowder shipblast disaster the people in Holland became nuts about Louis Napoleon.
Mention this never happened before that an leader or Orange city holder came personal to help when there was an huge disaster or treagedy going on.


In 1809 there was again an big disaster.
The rivers in the south of Holland started to flood over and an lot farms came in and under the water.
Now who was the first one came to help again.

Picture 1 : Louis Napoleon

After this the people of Holland started to name Louis Napoleon him as the good one.




Coming back on the gunpowder ship blast at Leiden.

If you walk now 2016 in the center of the old town Leiden there is an park to see.
Before 1807 this parkspot was full with houses.
Most of the people that once lived there where killed during the blast.
Now the very rare thing is there are almost no monument or marks to see about this treagedy.
Wel there is one but you need an boot to see it.
It is hidding close to the docked platform side close to the water where once the gunpowder ship was laying.

Picture 2 : the old stone plaque where once the gunpowder ship was laying in the hart of the city of Leiden.



Now it started to go pretty rare.

When Louis Napoleon was helping with his workers, field hospital and doctors there he became shocked of what he saw.
He told the victems must be helped and there must be an monument made for this to remember what realy have happened here.
And he also told that he is going to pay for the monument.
And the monument must be the model of an needle/obelisk with the letters inside to mark and remember the victems

Wel the monument never was placed in the park.
Only the fundation was buld.

From latest story is that this monument realy was made but after the battle of Waterloo when the Oranges came back to Holland they dicide to transport the needle to one of the Royal Palaces called "Palace Soestdijk"

The letters became changed and the needle was used again as an simbole for an victory monument of the defeat of France after the battle of Waterloo.

Palace Soestdijk is now in 2016 empty standing after Juliana and Bernard passed away more then 10 years ago but the needle is stil there hidding in the corner of there garden.....

Picture 3 : the old French obelisk that is standing in the corner of the garden of the old Palace "Soestdijk" on the wrong spot with the wrong marks and wrong letters and where it not belonges.

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Going further,

Made an writing mistace in the first chapter.

The name of the wife of Louis must be Hortense not Constance,
In Dutch it speaks close the same.


Hortence,

There was an lot to do about Hortence,
Like she was an lot complaning about the palaces of Holland like some where to ugly and to small for her.
This happened again with the old hunting Palace "Het Loo".
The first time she saw that one she thought that it was an gate bulding and that the big one still have to come,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIWMzwedSqg


The marriage between Louis and Hortence was also not very good.
It was an must marriage ordered by Bonaparte.
Hortance was the daughter of Josephine the wife of Bonaparte.
Bonaparte wanted to have them married to keep the family line continude because he and Josephine coult not have children.

In 1810 Hortence divorsed from Louis.
She took her children with her and went back towards the Versailles.

This happened also between Louis and Bonaparte.
In the begin when Napoleon invaded Holland he gave the people of Holland 2 choices.

One Holland wil fall under France and name it also France.
The other option was Napoleon his favorite brother Louis woult be the new King of Holland.

The people of Holland took the second choice.
Bonaparte thought that Holland was very Rich so an lot taks income from Holland towards France.
Wel the golden age was long already over.

There are many letters survived about the conversations of both brothers Napoleon about this and also about the rase of tax towards France.
Louis had big problems about this and almost never followed his brothers orders.

In 1808 Bonaparte ordered his brother that he must block the harbours in Holland for the English trading and the people selling English products on the markets must be arrested.

Also this order turned out in an big argume between both brothers.
The last letter from Bonaparte was towards Louis you are out and not longer the King of Holland.

After that Louis turned him self back lonely with his little dog to the old summer palace in Haarlem abandon from his wife, children and brother.

This palace still exist including the original bed of Louis in the end of the next video.
Notice the same green and gold colours (the Napoleon family room colours)
as the empire horse sleighs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xhwm_Hedvq8&t=182s


In 1914 Louis left Holland with his carriage after the Battle of Waterloo.
His little dog runned out of the carriage and was killed under the wheels of the carriage that day.


Now i have looked that last years an lot documentairys about this story aswel on the Dutch tv aswel on the French tv.

Both countrys dit very ugly thoughts about Louis Napoleon in the past.
From Holland we have seen it in the past for decades that some royals called Louis the lazy rabbit or the thing with the obelisk.
Wel Louis does not give an realy national Dutch feeling but he realy changed something in the past for Holland on an good way because when the Oranges came back from Germany they started to have finaly good intrest in the people of Holland.
Now the last years the thought from Holland started to change.
Because there are now good tv programs and good exhibitions made about Louis Napoleon.
The ugly thought thing from France towards Louis is that he realy dit not protected the thoughts from France towards Holland with rasing tax for France.
They liked more Hortence.

Wel maby this wil started to change in the future for them aswel.
Mention he was realy an good one in compair towards his brother.

More to come.
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Chris,
Thank you for a fascinating look at French and Dutch history. So kind of you to share this. Do you have any of the history of the slave trade with Africa and any of the trade beads involved? I have a trade bead collection.
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Brother Clemens, you mention in your first post in this thread concerning the Napoleon sleigh "Napoleon Bonaparte was an dictator and an murderer. You place him in the list of Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini, Franko Etc Etc."

I say respectfully "you could not be more wrong". You seem to have taken your info from the Dutch, who naturally don't much like Napoleon since the Dutch were absolutely no match for Napoleon on the battlefields.

Napoleon was not only the greatest military lealer of his time, he gave the french state many institutions which still stand today and which have inspired many other countries:
-The civil code,
-The prefectoral system,
-The central bank of France,
-Recognition of Jews as citizens having the same rights and obligations as all others,
-Creation of the legion of honor which is bestowed upon citizens for civil or military merit, regardless of rank, fortune or title,
-Creation of the Franc monetary unit (60 years before the US had a unique currency),
-Creation of the Bourse de Paris (stock exchange)
-Primary and secondary school systems
-Court des Comptes (Government court of auditors)
-The penal code,

He was a great military leader not only because he outwitted his opponents but also because he was ahead of his troops and was by consequence wounded many times (His bravery instilled an absolute loyalty and zeal in his troops).

His many-faceted life makes of him the second most written-about human after Jesus!

The only thing for which his broter Louis is remembered is the fact that he is the father of Napoleon the Third who reigned on France from 1848 to 1871.

Bravo for the find and renovation of Napoleon's sleigh but please try to learn more about the great Napoleon and I'm sure you will come to wonder how a single man, born in poor family, has been able to accomplish so much.

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Mike have seen many programs about the slave trading of Holland.
All the polulation of Suriname where brought in by Holland.
Holland dit this also slave trade towards America.
It is not all an very clean history but almost every country was wrong in that time and doing wrong behavoure.
There is an monument here in Amsterdam.
Wel there coult be buld an lot other monument buld up next to it with an lot of things that went wrong overhere like the cheltar churches the humelating of the catholics but also the humelating of the protestands and the herformed by the Spanish in the Spanish war called the 80 years of war

Can not help you with more but keep follow

Yves,

Thanks that you follow this sleigh story.
Yes you are right Napoleon Bonaparte dit also an lot of good things not only for France but also for Holland.
He brought in the people must have names for rasing tax an lot of laws, culture but also the cadaster he brought in etc etc.

This chapter was going about the war and militair story.
Here is an program from Baldwin Buch viziting with the big Belgium historian the huge Lion Hill on the battle of Waterloo.
The Lion is standing with his face towards France and tells until here and not further.
Now Baldwin started to ask the the same question at 18 minuts in the video and story toward the Belgium historian like you are bringing up now.
Baldwin start to tell Napoleon dit so many good things like bringing the Empire style towards Holland why do we place him near Hitler an Mussolini.
The Belgium Historian start to react.
There was an lot underpression by Napoleon and an lot of People are killed under Napoleon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUe3XsZ4KKQ

Wel we can say that we all have an love hate relationship with Napoleon.
For the people of Holland he brought an lot very good things specialy his brother.
Napoleon is not only the Napoleon for France but also the Napoleon for Holland.
Now that is something we not want to say about Hilter or Mussolini


Keep follow this,

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