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Champion 400 Grease Cup Needed


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Old 09-03-2016, 09:40:20 PM
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Default Champion 400 Grease Cup Needed

I'm pretty new at the Blacksmithing thing ... so I'm hoping that some of you guys can help me along a little.
I recently built a 18' x 24' shelter in my back yard .... so ... I now have a place to set up my Champion 400 portable forge & my 134lb Haybudden that I've had laying around for several years.. I'm doing a major Overhaul / Clean & Adjust on the Champ Blower & it's missing one of the screw-in grease cups that fit over one end of the shaft that carries the bronze gear.
Do any of you fellows have an extra cup, or one off of a "parts" 400 , that I could beg/barrow/steal/trade or buy ?

Any source for ready made bronze bushings for this shaft ?
What is the pin hole for in the hat brim of these two bushings ?
One has the pin in it & the other, the pin is sheared off in the case.

Another question (due to my ignorance ... when the loose ball bearings all came falling out all over ) .....
Can anyone tell me how many balls there are supposed to be in each end of the worm gear shaft ? I found 24 ... so I'm guessing that would make 12 in each end ... if I'm thinking straight ??? I guess I could just put them in & see how many fit ... but I just thought I would ask ... just in case I need to start looking for loose 1/4" balls on ebay.

One more question if I may ... (hope I'm not being a PIA) ... the grease cup that goes over the crank handle shaft ... has a hole in it for the shaft ... duh .... should there be a leather "washer" or something .. on the shaft .. just inside the cup hole ? or what keeps the grease from just squishing out around the shaft ?>?

Any other advice on the Champ 400 rebuild would certainly be welcome ! especially setting up the worm / bronze gear fit & lash.

Thanks guys ! from a newbie that wants to learn.

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Default Re: Champion 400 Grease Cup Needed

Should be able to get balls at a good hardware store.
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Old 09-04-2016, 12:11:33 PM
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Default Re: Champion 400 Grease Cup Needed

As akuna mentioned, ball bearings (individual balls) are available. When I rebuilt my Champion 400, I ordered a pack from Grainger(?). Still sounds like there is sand in the bearings, though. I seem to remember different number of balls between the front and rear bearings. These things run in LIGHT oil (some people use ATF) and the stuff leaks out by design. Every time you use it, give it a squirt of oil in the top and expect it to leak. Lash is by guess and by golly. Shouldn't be excessive back-and-forth play, like you would adjust the bearings in a bicycle wheel. I made a grease cap out of a section of thinwall brass drainpipe--We Are Blacksmiths, and make our own parts
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Default Re: Champion 400 Grease Cup Needed

Thanks for replying fellers !

David, my grease cup / bearing covers thread into the gear housing. Did you find brass drain fittings with the correct thread ... or did you just tap them into the gear case with a hammer ? If I could find something with the correct thread .. I'm sure I could make my own cover .... but it sure would be nice to find an original grease cap .. as this blower is in pretty nice shape.
There has got to be someone with a "parts" 400 laying around ???
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Default Re: Champion 400 Grease Cup Needed

Funny that you brought up Champion Blower & Forge. When I was interviewing for a job, after college in 1962, one of my appointments was with CBF. They actually offered me a job in their engineering dept.

I accepted a job at Dewalt Saws instead and started my carrier there.

We still live in the Lancaster, PA area and their building has been made into several restaurants, ladies shops, etc.

In fact we ate at one of our favorite restaurants in the old CBF building tonight.
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Glen, the brass drainpipe (plated tube, really) was approx the same size as the grease cap I needed, there were remnants of threads on one end, enough to start in the blower (male) threads, cap the other end. Brass is softer than iron, so it works good enough
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Hmmmm ... I also just figured out that the caps for the bronze gear shaft are smaller than the caps for the crank handle shaft. (smaller thread diameter).
I'll hafta look through my old plumbing crap.

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RE: previous reply--I'm sorry, I mean the blower body has female threads, the grease cap has male threads
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Yep . I kinda knew that. 8^)


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Default Re: Champion 400 Grease Cup Needed

Is this the grease cup your talking about? I believe this is just an oil port, that brass piece turns to open a hole you squirt oil in with your favorite oil can. I owned one of these in the past.
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Default Re: Champion 400 Grease Cup Needed

Scott ... the grease cup I need is pointed out in the picture below.
The cup for the input /crankshaft is larger & will not work.
My oil cup is missing too ... but I found a small spring cap oil port with 1/8 pipe thr that will work until I find a nice small brass / glass drip oiler.
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