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I see your problem.
Too many fans causing excessive turbulence combined with unterminated SATA cables causing excessive RF leakage.
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My Linux system checks for security updates on a daily basis, and all others on a weekly basis - because of the things I do. I've locked out the latest upgrade, because the last upgrade (Ubuntu) broke a lot of the specialized software that I use on a regular basis - and I hate the Unity desktop (which I had to block out) and don't want to go through all that again. Once I've finished my research, then maybe I'll upgrade - but because I despise Unity, I may go to another flavor.

I'd gone to Ubuntu/OpenOffice because Office kept scrambling my MA thesis - and I couldn't get it to stop (plus an upgrade to player went through my computer and deleted some videos I'd taken - told me I didn't have the rights to my own home videos!). Microsoft nearly cost me my degree because it kept insisting on formatting portions of it a certain way, and we couldn't find a way to get it to stop. That ended the use of their products.

My wife and I won't touch 10. The issues with it are too severe and too many - and we can't stand using it. Her work-at-home job requires that she have a secure computer and that means no reporting to Microsoft (or anyone else). We also need to do our own work on our own systems - and administrator has been pared back to a little more than generic user.
I'm with you ... I've used linux of a couple three "flavors" and after a while learning to drive them I would never go back to MICROSHAFT...
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I see your problem.
Too many fans causing excessive turbulence combined with unterminated SATA cables causing excessive RF leakage.
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The pulled SATA cables are from my troubleshooting. The system was manufactured with the spare cables installed (blue) and in fact, one was unterminated. This box always creates a bunch of heat, but the fans are generally loafing. The fans are all speed controlled based upon temperature.

I have the system all working fine now EXCEPT for "Windows Update." Microsoft is scheduled to call me this afternoon for additional work on WU.

Once this dust settles, I will have two .5 TB drives and two 1 TB drives, all 7200 r.p.m. I'm hoping this thing will hold up for a few more years. I will most likely need to cave in, get Windoze 10 and neuter it based upon web instructions.

It's amazing to see how many users have issues with Windows Update! Might be that MS is forcing us into the 10 corral.
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Old 09-12-2016, 11:01:50 AM
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Might be that MS is forcing us into the 10 corral.
That's exactly what it sounds like. While helping my wife with her system, I did some digging regarding updates. What I learned was not pretty. A half dozen of them or so are toxic as hell, and the others - only install them if they fix a problem, otherwise don't install them even if Microsoft pushes you.

Most of the security updates are to protect Microsoft profits - to try to prevent people from pirating their software. (It is a big problem - but they also try to make older versions no longer usable.) Indeed, there was a huge stink a few years ago because there were a really severe exploit that Microsoft knew about but didn't want to bother with - which opened the door to some really nasty viruses. They were patching to protect themselves but forget their customers. (I remember when that came out quite well.)

I also remember well when W95 came out - and was written to trash OS/2 if you had it on your system. Programmers figured out a way to get around that pretty fast, but I ran OS/2 and had that happen to me. Microsoft didn't want OS/2 dual booted on the system - OS/2 was more powerful than XP, but out back before W3.1! (It would run multiple different programs simultaneously in a single desktop on a 4mb -8mb 486 computer - I used to do that to blow people's mind!) Microsoft has a LONG history of... corporate greed and crookedness.

This is the important point: Several of the non-security updates were specifically crafted to try to trick or force people to go to 10, and they were installing the spyware built into 10 onto older versions of windows. One of those "updates" even had it so that if you "x"ed out of the update window (trying to NOT update the system), doing so was considered approval of the update and it would start against your wishes. Microsoft was also downloading 10 onto your system via a couple of those updates, and one update even stopped the boot process and you had to accept/reject upgrading to 10 before the boot continued. Another bad thing I learned was that some of those non-security updates would crash certain computers. Most of those toxic updates were considered beyond the legal boundaries of running a business and were outright deceptive and dishonest.

Then there is this whole "secure boot" BS. I run oddball software and hardware here - and some of it is not "Microsoft-approved" (plus some of my equipment uses a serial port and I even have stuff out back that runs with a parallel port). Basically it works out to be another way to push people into buying whatever Microsoft wants them to buy... and "secure boot" has caused some headaches for Linux users (it's part of the firmware of the computer). I have to keep it turned off, even in Linux because otherwise some of my stuff won't run.

Finally, one thing about 10 and some of these updates is that they'll break older versions of certain (expensive) software packages, forcing you to buy the latest and greatest even if you're happy with what you had. Xp SP3 did that with several packages (I think Microsoft was sued in another country for that stunt and lost). I have a couple of those programs here - and a virtual machine with Xp SP2 installed (with updates locked out) because of that little stunt.
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Unless I am totally incorrect Apple computers check in with mama every time they are turned on it's just not advertised the way windows does it. I am running a Linux system and it updates something about every two days.
You are correct. They phone home to the land of Steve Jobs every time they turn on. In my opinion the two differences between OSX (Apple) and Windows is that Apple focuses so much on integrated hardware & software so you don't experience the "slowness" that Windows does, or at least not nearly as quickly. Second big difference is that OSX is very Unix based so many traditional *nix things are native in OSX vs. Windows.

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We can not change from XP at work as our accounting program will not work with the newer programs. To change program it would cost a fortune.
May be more effort than its worth but starting with W7 MSFT introduced an "XP Mode" that is reverse compatible with just about all XP applications. Going forward to 8/8.1 MSFT included Hyper-V which allows you to run a virtual machine inside your newer OS. There are ways to upgrade to newer OS. XP in a business environment is a little scary these days, especially for financial software.

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Now I'm back on the original boot drive with the original Windows Update problem. UUUGGGHHHHH!
That looks like a T7500? I have a couple T5500's and T7500's. Your numbering is a little off on your SATA cables. It may be correct relative to the drives & SATA ports, but if you look closely on the metal cross bar below the drives, you will see top left is marked 0, bottom left is marked 1, top right is marked 2 and bottom right is marked 3. Not that it matters, I just have OCD. One of the nice things about those Dell systems is that the COA (license activation key) is embedded in the BIOS so as long as you have the Dell media (CD/DVD) you can format & reinstall the OS as many times as you want. When I get new Precision Workstations in that are pre-imaged from Dell, the first thing I do is nuke (format) them and reinstall the OS. They put so much bloatware and junk on them that even with dual CPU and a decent amount of RAM they get very slow. You also have a built in LSI raid controller on that machine so you shouldn't need to copy drives manually, they will either mirror or RAID on their own, if you want them to. Also, I believe that those machines only shipped with Professional and Enterprise editions of Windows. You should have a lot more options in terms of updates than home/retail users do. If you go into control panel, windows update, you can tell it (left column, "change settings") to "never check for updates".
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Harry, all kidding aside, I do not have a lot of experience with servers.

The few that I worked on ran a version of Linux.
I did not set systems up, just diagnose and repair hardware when they went down.

Some installations, including colleges are using Linux servers with staff and students running Microsoft desktops, laptops.

Have you considered Linux? No license fees or Micros**t BS. Kernel is clean, uses fewer resources, should extend the life of your server, just vacuum out the dust every year or so.
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Our Smokstak server runs on Linux. I only know what I need to know and that is: "If it ain't broke, I don't fix it." I lease the server and the maintenance is included.

As for my notebook Windows Update, it sets on this screen all day and does nothing! Two systems with the same problem. No concern for firewall or internet connection - I installed a new hard drive, installed Windows and Avast, and Windows Update works perfectly! I'd like to get the original drive working as all my software is installed on that drive.

It's like MS is messing with us to force us into Windows 10!

GOOGLE IT - ten pages of internet buzz solving nothing.
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It may be correct relative to the drives & SATA ports, but if you look closely on the metal cross bar below the drives, you will see top left is marked 0, bottom left is marked 1, top right is marked 2 and bottom right is marked 3.
The metal bar labels have #3 on top, #2 bottom on left AND #1 on top, #0 bottom on right as per the previous photo. T7500, dual processor, eight core.
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I just finished updating my wife's laptop (windows 7)... it had sat unused for about six months. I had all sorts of problems with it sitting there with a "searching for updates" message. I'd run into a couple of comments about just leaving it to search for a long time... more than 24 hours, when this happened before. So I let it sit there and do its thing. 30 hours after that, it finally stopped searching and had a list of 39 updates (10 of them questionable). I had it do the security updates, and will check the other 10 to see if any of them are the bad ones.


(When I first acquired it - given to us when someone else upgraded to a new laptop, it required all of the updates up to when we got it. It took - as I remember - almost two full days to finish searching, and several hours to download all of the "security" updates and install them.)

It's been downloading and applying updates for a couple of hours now, and still isn't finished.
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After three different Microsoft technicians (in the Philippines) being remotely logged in and working on my desktop for a total of 4 hours each on three different days, they have told me that it is time to re-install Windows. I really don't think they know what the hell they are doing. In fact, they admitted that Microsoft knows there is a bug in Windows Update.

I suspect that this bug came in with my updating to Windows 10 during the promotion period and then my reverting back to Windows 7. In a word, Windows 10 sucks, but they want EVERYONE to switch over to it. It appears that Windows 7 is totally off the market!

I'm left to follow my own pathway by installing a new hard drive, installing Windows 7 from a recovery disk and building the system up from there with my software and utilities. What a waste of time!
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