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The French Amsterdammer, The Horsesleigh from the Golden Age 1682


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Ok an brandnew horse sleigh thread today.

Talking about horse sleighs.
When you start digging in the history of horse sleighs and you start to wonder your self how far you can go in this.
What is the most oldest sleigh in the world.

Wel sure there where sleighs in the 15 and 16 century but they dit not have style nor design.

The first known design of the horse sleigh in Europe came arround half way the 17 century and in Holland also known or called as the golden age.
In the 17 century Amsterdam, Holland became rich and famoust because of the Dutch Indies VOC.
Large fleeds of gigantic wooden ships full with cargo saled from the west to the east and back brought an lot wealty towards Amsterdam.

An age is 100 years.

British historican Jonathan Israel told once.
You can split up the Dutch golden age in two parts.

The first part is the :

Early golden age 1588 till 1647

Second part is the :

Late golden age 1647 till 1702

So the Dutch golden age was from 1588 till 1702.

Today we are going to start op an thread about an fabulous horse sleigh that was buld in the second half of the golden age in Amsterdam in the old Holland.

The chance is very big with this horse sleigh that is going to show up here in the next weeks is going to be the oldest item ever posted in the history of Smokstak.

So an supper rare thread is on his way towards the horse chanel of Smokstak.

There are many chapters going to follow in this story before we are going to post the real horse sleigh.

Going to start up with the chapter the Dutch golde Age.

The first picture is the most world famoust painting called "The Nightwatch" from Rembrandt.
Rembrandt was the painter from the early golden age.

We are posting this picture because it is the most well known Worldwide simbole from the old Dutch golden age.

Enclosing also pictures of the beautiful Dutch ships that once sailed arround the globe.
These ships sailed under the old Dutch east and west compagnie.

Also post pictures of these fabulous ships because there style and design is also coming back in the Amsterdammer horse sleigh that we have found.

Post also an Dutch music video about the Dutch Golden age.

Now i have been posting an lot of of threads in the past here about the Canadians, French, Americans etc etc.

This one wil go about Holland.

And Holland is America, Canada, France, England, Australia, New Zealand, Belgium, Germany etc etc



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Default Re: The French Amsterdammer, The Horsesleigh from the Golden Age 1682

Post some more pictures belonged to the first chapter.

They are very intresting to the design and model of the sleigh.

Picture 4 is the old golden bend street in the center of Amsterdam in the first half of the golden age (the early part of the golden age).
You can see that the street was not full built with house yet with looking at the empty holes.
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Style and design of the most early horse sleighs in Holland,

In the first half of the golden age there was not realy and lot design to see on the sleighs on the Ice scenes.

Post an coople Ice scene pictures taken in Holland in the early part of the golden age.

The first 3 painting pictures are date arround the first half of the Golden age.

Picture painting nr 4 is taken arrround the mid golden age.
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Ok what is the plan,

The Amsterdammer was buld in and arround the city of Amsterdam in the old Holland in and shortly after the golden age 17 and 18 century.

Arround 7 Amsterdammers realy dit survived in Holland now and maby arround the globe an rough indiction of 25 amsterdammer horse sleighs.

Most of the Amsterdammer sleighs are hidding under the 3 Royal familys of Europe mention 1 in the Versailles at Paris, 4 in the Royal Belgium collection at Bruxelles and 1 the Royal family in the Netherlands.

The rest is hidding in the museums and an coople in private collections.


The one we found was an unknown one from an old castle in France.





Now i have to admit i was never realy touched about the Amsterdammer horse sleigh.

First they have an pretty rough design.

Second most of them do not have an bow statue.

And thirth the images are not always very happy and nice to watch.
Mention half naked gods/men on the panels on the sides are not realy nice things to watch.

In the years of sleigh collecting i realy have seen an coople coming for sale on the market.
I dit not bought them because i was not realy touched by them.

This started to change when an wrekage was found an half year ago on an old castle in France.

The sleigh is in realy bad condition but i was shocked how beautiful design it was.

First : I was having encredible heavy beautiful wood cutting work with with an lot heavy decorations.

Second : The paintings on the sides are beautiful women with beautiful clothing sitting under trees and between sheeps.

Thirth : It is having an big amazing bow statue.

And four : Later it came out that it is having the same marks as one of the most oldest sleigh in Holland 1682....

So an dream horse sleigh.....


Now the plan is in the next weeks we are going to study here an line of models of the Amsterdammers horse sleighs that realy dit survive.

Also going to talk how tings looked in the world arround 1682.

And how we realy can recognise the Amsterdammer horse sleigh.

Then with 2 weeks we start uploading pictures of the sleigh wrek that we have found on that old castle in France.


We start up with and study of the Amsterdammer horse sleigh in the glass showcase of the Versailles at Paris.

More to come,

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Thanks Chris

Great pics and history. Thanks for all the time you put into the horse sleighs.


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Thanks Al,

keep follow,


Ok going further,

The Amsterdammer(s) horse sleigh of the Versailles at Paris France,


How can we recognise an Amsterdammer horse sleigh,

Now there where 2 horse sleigh restaurations here in the past.
One was the Richfarmers Sjeesarr the other was the Unicorn Sjeesarr.
The Arr or Sjeesar was part born out of the Amsterdammer with style and design.

On the other hand the real Amsterdammer is an way other sleigh.

Some points of recognise towards the Amsterdammer horse sleigh.

First they are bigger and more heavy buld then the Sjees arr or arr with more heavy woodwork decorations.

Second the main seat stand lower on the gliders.

Thirth the standards (bridges) under the seat for the connection towards the gliders are always look them same in 2 or 3 bridges.
2 are 4 standards and 3 are 6 standards.
For the rest they have there own style and decorations to the time they where made.

Fourth and most importand
All the Amsterdammers have an steel piece of iron going from the back side of the seat downwards to the gliders in somekind of S model with an small piece of decoration iron in the middle of the S.



We are going to study the first Amsterdammer horse sleigh in the Versailles at Paris.



First the pictures.

The first picture in this chapter are not Amsterdammers.
They are the Versailles Palace sleighs that have survived from King Louis the 16 and Marie Antoinette like we have post in the palace sleigh thread.

This picture is in an hall of the Versailles with in the background an large panorama picture of the garden of the Versailles.


Picture nr. 2

This picture is taken in another room.
Here you see the French royal Prince-Princes carriage in an glass showcase.

Mention this is realy fancy stuff because it stands in an glass showcase.


Picture nr. 3.

Same carriage in this picture but take an very good look on the back ground.
Do you see what i see...

Now there is another glass showcase and this time with an Amsterdammmer horse sleigh.
This shows now already how special the Amsterdammer is for the Versailles at Paris France.


Now we all going to have an very close look at this Amsterdammer sleigh and there you can study the seat the under section and the little piece of iron on the back of the seat going downwards to the gliders.

The French called this sleigh The Amstellodamos de Pays Bas.

This is an very early one and looking at the 3 leggs going to the gliders it coult be also from arround 1682 before or after.


https://www.flickr.com/photos/morio6...n/photostream/



Now here i have another one from France

This one is younger

They are telling that this sleigh is an 18 century horse sleigh.
I think they are right.
Looking at the model it must be arround 1710-1720



http://palaisdecompiegne.fr/objet/tr...amstellodamois


Both Amsterdammers do not have bowstatues.

Tomorrow we are going further with study the Amsterdammers at the Belgium Royal collection.

More to come
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The Amsterdammers of Belgium Horse Sleigh collection at Bruxelles,

Here is the line up of 4 Amsterdammers in the collection at Bruxelles.

They are wonderfull pieces of ancient art and they must be date end 17 century until begin half 18 century.

In the 18 century the Belgium revolution came up and before that it was laying in the south of Holland.
So Belgium was 400 years ago laying huge partly in Holland.
Now wonder that there are some Dutch Amsterdammers horse sleigh survivers.

Coming back at the model and date of the Amsterdammers horse sleigh.

Most of the Amsterdammers do not have an stagecouch drive seat on the back of the sleigh.
In that time the stagecouch driver was standing on the back of the sleigh.
And they had stand planks.
This was different then the later palace sleighs they dit mostly not have planks but stepholders with seat and sometimes extra leather shoe holders to keep the snow off from the shoes and give the stagecouch drivers warm foot for long trips.

The second Amsterdammer in the French chapter is having an stagecouch seat on the back but that coult be an later modification.
This happened in the early tractor buld and design aswel.


Then about dates these sleighs.
Some of the Amsterdammers are buld in the late golden age 1660 til 1702 and think most of Amsterdammers dat have survived are from right after the golden age.

There are 2 sleighs that we have notice in the woodcarve and cutting work are the same like us and that is the sleigh in the glass showcase at the Versailles and the Amsterdammer from 1682 in Holland only the one of us is having the early thin steel extra sceleton frame under the woodwork.

Picture 1, 2 and 3.

Notice the 3 on the side legg system most of the Amsterdammers have.
The steel S bracket all the Amsterdammers have going from the under the seat on the back towards the gliders.

Now stage couch seats on the back with an plank and the huge heavy seat system with an lot curled heavy woodwork.


Last picture first Amsterdammer is having an half bow statue of somekind of trumpet boy or girl.




Some have been changed in the years from there original clothing.


Next we are going to watch at the Amsterdammer from the Dutch Royal family.
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The Amsterdammer horse sleigh from the Royal family in Holland,


Ok going further.

This time after the French and the Belgium we are going to watch to the Amsterdammer horse sleigh of the Dutch Royal family.

To watch this sleigh we have to vizit the Dutch Royal family site of the Loo palace.
Former palace aswel from King Louis Napoleon.

Now take an look at the next site and scrol downwards.

There you can see 2 horse sleighs coming up.

Now the horse sleigh most to the right is the Amsterdammer sleigh that once belonged towards Queen Emma, Queen Wilhelmina and Queen Juliana.

Now also take an look at the left horse sleigh.

This is the Royal Dutch silver sleigh and made in 1885 by the old German company P. Schreuder Dusseldorf.

Notice the frond section of this sleigh.
You can see there are 2 front stak’s coming up.
This is what we called the Austria, Zwiss model sleigh.
The Austria, Zwiss model is having an lot the 2 small eagle heads on the front of the sleigh.


http://www.hethuisvanoranje.nl/24%20...lenHetLoo.html

From this design model most of the horse sleigh models came out in the 19 and 20 century.
Because most sleighs in the world having 2 front staks coming up with curls or other decoration and an huge front plate behind it to keep the snow away from inside the sleigh when the horses are running.

I wil not say that it is ugly.
It having his charmes aswel and it is more practise.

Also like the English Victorian child sleighs.
They are fabulous aswel.



Now i started this thread with showing pictures of realy ancients wooden ships out of the old Dutch golden age.

Now there is one thing what you can recognise on all the ancient Dutch and French horse sleigh models from Amsterdammer, Sjeesar. Louis the 15, 16, Napoleon, Animal sleigh, Chinoire, Shell Sleigh, Tikker etc etc is that there design came from the old ships from the golden age.

Mention they realy dit have the same fabulous back mirrors with gold, decoration etc and there one front with mostly one bow statue section like the old wooden ships in the old Dutch golden age had.

Holland used this style for centurys on there ancient horse sleighs.

Now i have seen some animals sleighs from the black forrests in Germany and some late Polish iron sleighs but for the rest i only have seen it only from Holland towards France.

Wil not say that all the style in these sleigh came all from Holland.
The fashion and the rest of the design came from France.
This was copy on an very good and smart way towards the sleighs in the old Holland.


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Going further,

First i have been checking some things today and study the old horse sleigh from Poland.
They also having the 2 front stak coming up on there frontbow with the huge keep off snow plate.

So they do not have the design like Holland.

So as far i know the horse sleighs that where buld in the old Holland (province South and North Holland) used the old wooden ship models style from the 16 and 17 century as the only country in the world.

Now what realy start to wonder now dit the French buld them self aswel or let them buld in Holland.

One thing is for sure not looking at the ancient ship model the rest taste, fashion and design realy came from France on the old Dutch sleigh.


Can not understand other collectors from Holland never jumped in this hobby.

As far i know i am the only one in Holland doing this hobby with searching the exotical ones.
Mention there are carriage collectors enough in Holland but they only have 1 or 2 tikkers in there collection.



Going further with posting some of the 25 Amsterdammers that dit survived in the hole world.


Here is another one.


This Amsterdammer horse sleigh came from in the south of Holland out of the collection of one of Europes biggest furniture dealer.

Notice this Amsterdammer is having an way other under section then the other ones.

This one is having 4 leggs going down towards the gliders with an mid section connetor.
This was an newer system an date arround begin of the 18 century right after the golden age.

Wel it is sure an Amsterdammer and it is having the Amsterdammer S bracket aswel from the back of the seat going to the under gliders.

Most Amsterdammers do not have bow statues.
This one is having an small dragon head coming out of the front section.



Next more Amsterdammers are going to make there entrance here on Smokstak with more study towards them.

By the end of the next week we are going to start upload pictures of the wreckage of the Amsterdammer that we have found.

More to come,
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Another 2 Amsterdammers are making there entrance on the horse site of Smokstak.....

The first 2 pictures are the Zealand Amsterdammer 1720.
This straight liner Amsterdammer was buld for the province Zealand with some kind of model of the Amsterdammer.
It does not having the S bend iron on the back but they called it somekind of Amsterdammer.

This sleigh is possetion of the Rijksmuseum in Amsterdam.


Picture 3 and 4 are the Polarbear Amsterdammer.

This Amsterdammer was found original in the Hague (the old Holland) on an old rich estate.

The exiting thing on this sleigh that it is having and half size bowstatue of the polar bear doing very angry with his mouth open...




Next we are going to talk and watch towards an Amsterdammer with an bowstatue.
Not the one we found but the one at the Dutch National Carriage collection.


More to come,
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